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Fanon CouplesJan 13 2008 09:50 pm #2TammyDevil666
Hmm, I honestly don't think I like very many couples that weren't together on the show. There are a few that I enjoy, like Spike/Xander. I've written a couple of fictions involving them before. I also like Buffy/Faith and for some reason, Faith/Tara. I've written them before and I think they could be really good together, but maybe that's just me. They're not a couple you see very often in fictions, at least I don't. I like the idea of Dawn/Connor, I think they would have been really great together if given the chance to meet. Also Faith/Gunn, but that's not really much of a stretch. I think that's all that comes to mind at the moment. Mostly, I just stick to the couples that we're used to.
When I say, "I love you," it's not because I want you or because I can't have you. It has nothing to do with me. I love what you are, what you do, how you try. I've seen your kindness and your strength. I've seen the best and the worst of you, and I understand with perfect clarity exactly what you are. You're a hell of a woman. You're the one, Buffy.
These are the fanon couples I like:
Giles and Anya, which is also not much of a stretch
Faith and Wesley
Giles and Anya, which is also not much of a stretch
Faith and Wesley
"Do you like my mask? Isn't it pretty? It raises the dead!"--Giles, "Dead Man's Party'
Hmmm, well I'd say Spike/Angel, but there's been canon evidence for that, so they're out for fanon. I've read and enjoyed a lot of Spike/Willow fanfics, and some Willow/Faith. I also like the very rare fics I can find of Spike/Darla and for some odd reason I enjoyed Spike/Wesley. But I think I've read almost every Spike pairing at least once. Giles and Anya, I love them together, they make more sense to me than Xander and Anya ever did.
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Oh yes! Dawn and Conner are great - it's the whole inferiority complex thing they both have going. I'm a fan of pretty much any m/Dawn pairing, excepting Giles and Ethan Rayne. And probably Riley. LOVE Dawn/Andrew, find it oddly cute.
Jan 14 2008 03:14 am #6Blood Faerie
I like Anya/Faith. Seen it a couple times in some fics and I think they'd be good together ^.^
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I love Dawn -Andrew and Dawn-Connor- if anyone has some recommends on this couple I would love to have them - I also like Anya & Giles - I have read Andrew -Xander which was kinda nice as a sub-text couple.
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Jan 14 2008 07:13 am #8Always_jbj
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Giles/Ethan, Wesley/Faith, Xander/Faith, Buffy/Faith, SOME Spike/Faith--Although Giles/Ethan and Xander/Faith are kinda sorta canon, they weren't really explored in canon and were only ever really given 'life' in fanon, so I'm claiming them as fanon! LOL
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Jan 14 2008 10:21 am #9Scarlet Ibis
Spike/Tara
Spike/Dawn
Faith/Wesley
Willow/Wesley (okay, so it was only the one fic...)
I actually read a great Xander/Wesley, and I totally believed it. Well, they were in a major f-ed up situation, but still, totally bought it.
Faith/Angel
Spike/Dawn
Faith/Wesley
Willow/Wesley (okay, so it was only the one fic...)
I actually read a great Xander/Wesley, and I totally believed it. Well, they were in a major f-ed up situation, but still, totally bought it.
Faith/Angel
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Jan 14 2008 02:56 pm #10Guest
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I really enjoy a good post-Chosen, Xander/Dawn fic. Not sure why, it just calls to me!
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Jan 14 2008 03:24 pm #11GoldenBuffy
Don't get me start Scarlet! lol SPAWN *runs for the hills* EWWWW! That's on couple that is a huge NO for me, a world of NO. But besides that, lol.
Wes/Angel (read one good one and I loved it)
Anya/Giles
Tara/Spike
Spike/Willow
Tara/Oz
Faith/Buffy
Faith/Angel
Faith/Ethan (anyone got any good fics with them?)
Wes/Angel (read one good one and I loved it)
Anya/Giles
Tara/Spike
Spike/Willow
Tara/Oz
Faith/Buffy
Faith/Angel
Faith/Ethan (anyone got any good fics with them?)
And in the air the fireflies
Our only light in paradise
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And teach them all to sing along
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We'll show the world they were wrong
And teach them all to sing along
Jan 14 2008 07:03 pm #12TammyDevil666
Ewwww, Faith/Ethan? I think I'm seriously scarred by all of these couples you guys mentioned...lol! And a big no on the Spawn, that's just so wrong to me. I also feel like I'm the only one that can't stand Giles/Anya. I've just always been a Xander/Anya girl.
When I say, "I love you," it's not because I want you or because I can't have you. It has nothing to do with me. I love what you are, what you do, how you try. I've seen your kindness and your strength. I've seen the best and the worst of you, and I understand with perfect clarity exactly what you are. You're a hell of a woman. You're the one, Buffy.
Jan 14 2008 07:05 pm #13GoldenBuffy
Oh, I forgot one. This one is perfect for Xander.
Xander/his hand
That's the best fanship ever! Ok, I need sleep. I've been up for 24 hrs going on 25. Boo, Spawn. Ok, leaving now.
Xander/his hand
That's the best fanship ever! Ok, I need sleep. I've been up for 24 hrs going on 25. Boo, Spawn. Ok, leaving now.
And in the air the fireflies
Our only light in paradise
We'll show the world they were wrong
And teach them all to sing along
Our only light in paradise
We'll show the world they were wrong
And teach them all to sing along
I'm with you, Tammy. Giles/Anya doesn't do a thing for me. I think Anya has more chemistry with Willow than Giles.
My favorite fanon relationships are in this list
Spike/Xander- the only relationship I read that reminds me so much of Buffy/Spike, probably why it's my most read fanon pairing.
Buffy/Faith- the tension between these two reminds me more of Spike/Angel, another canon pairing I enjoy.
Spike/Giles- two English men trying to fit in an American society with so much tension and experience, both having dark pasts and changed to serve the greater good.
Spike/Wesley- similar reasons to why I like Spike/Giles, adding that Wesley is utterly hot.
I would really love to read that Xander/Wesley, Scarlet, I've only read two Xander/Wesley stories which I liked.
Wesley is utterly hot.
Indeed! I read this one fic where he was trolling for an anonymous encounter online, and Willow answered it. Then they fell for each other, even though they felt really awkward about it. Highly rec'd.
Indeed! I read this one fic where he was trolling for an anonymous encounter online, and Willow answered it. Then they fell for each other, even though they felt really awkward about it. Highly rec'd.
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Jan 15 2008 12:52 am #16Guest
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Pshaw--you guys just haven't been reading the right Spawn stories 
I'm telling you, if written by the right author...it can work. I read a Biles (Buffy/Giles) short only cause I thought the author was kick ass with all of her body of work, and said what the hell? I actually liked it. I still despise BIles, but that one fiction was really good.
SpikeHot--careful. It's in conjunction with a *gasps* Spawn. Here's the link for the fiction, and a separate Wesley/Xander short (you're supposed to read the long one first, but really, if you only read the short, just know it's after a horrendously botched "The Gift" in which the portal is not closed).
http://home.comcast.net/~wesleysgirl/fanfiction/ltwsmain.html
Jan 15 2008 12:53 am #17Scarlet Ibis
That was me, btw.
And Lindsay--link me!
And Lindsay--link me!
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It's a pwp, so be warned. Plus, the ending is a bit fluffy, but whatev.
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Jan 15 2008 04:03 am #19GoldenBuffy
Scarlet, the two most nasty fanon paring, and their names speak for themselves. Biles and Spwan, ewww. Need I say more. I've read a couple of both, and some were very good. Well written. Actually now that I think of it, the very first Buffy fanfic i ever read was one between her and Giles. But ewww! No, not gonna happen.
And in the air the fireflies
Our only light in paradise
We'll show the world they were wrong
And teach them all to sing along
Our only light in paradise
We'll show the world they were wrong
And teach them all to sing along
Jan 15 2008 04:31 am #20TammyDevil666
Buffy/Giles is enough to make me seriously nauseated. I read that pairing before for my friend because I was her beta, and it seriously scarred me for life. She had a habit of writing all the pairings that I didn't really care about, but I did it anyway. Spawn I admit to writing once before, but never again.
When I say, "I love you," it's not because I want you or because I can't have you. It has nothing to do with me. I love what you are, what you do, how you try. I've seen your kindness and your strength. I've seen the best and the worst of you, and I understand with perfect clarity exactly what you are. You're a hell of a woman. You're the one, Buffy.
"Oh, I forgot one. This one is perfect for Xander.
Xander/his hand
That's the best fanship ever! Ok, I need sleep. I've been up for 24 hrs going on 25. Boo, Spawn. Ok, leaving now."
NICE ONE - I read one Spawn and had nightmares - I really had to recommit to my NO CENSORSHIP position.
I very much like Faith-Wesley and while I have never read any Angel-Faith, I think those two together would be very interesting
After seeing the "run after him scenes" between Xander and Buffy - Xander with visions of Riley in his head instead of Anya seems totally possible as well.
Xander/his hand
That's the best fanship ever! Ok, I need sleep. I've been up for 24 hrs going on 25. Boo, Spawn. Ok, leaving now."
NICE ONE - I read one Spawn and had nightmares - I really had to recommit to my NO CENSORSHIP position.
I very much like Faith-Wesley and while I have never read any Angel-Faith, I think those two together would be very interesting
After seeing the "run after him scenes" between Xander and Buffy - Xander with visions of Riley in his head instead of Anya seems totally possible as well.
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Jan 15 2008 05:49 am #22Guest
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I like......
Giles / Anya
Xander / Andrew
Xander / Dawn (sometimes LOL)
Faith / Wesley
Faith / Gunn
Cordy / Gunn
Faith / Angel
Lorne/ Angel
Andrew / Dawn
Willow / Faith
I absolutely hate with a passion....
Buffy / Faith ( I just don't see Buffy as a lesbian at all, I mean look at how she reacted with Willow, I will never read a story where it even hints that Buffy and Faith had a thing)
Buffy / Xander ( I see them as brother and sister)
Buffy / Willow ( see them as sisters, and don't see Buffy as a lesbian)
Dawn / Conner ( Please, I don't want to see Dawn falling in love with Angel's son. It is like Buffy was in love with Angel. Let us have her younger sister fall in love with his son. No thank you)
I think that is all I can think of.
I will admit that Spike is the only character that I can read pair up with pretty much anybody. I am just a Spike addict. LOL But I will always be a Spuffy fan. Spuffy is where my heart really is.
Giles / Anya
Xander / Andrew
Xander / Dawn (sometimes LOL)
Faith / Wesley
Faith / Gunn
Cordy / Gunn
Faith / Angel
Lorne/ Angel
Andrew / Dawn
Willow / Faith
I absolutely hate with a passion....
Buffy / Faith ( I just don't see Buffy as a lesbian at all, I mean look at how she reacted with Willow, I will never read a story where it even hints that Buffy and Faith had a thing)
Buffy / Xander ( I see them as brother and sister)
Buffy / Willow ( see them as sisters, and don't see Buffy as a lesbian)
Dawn / Conner ( Please, I don't want to see Dawn falling in love with Angel's son. It is like Buffy was in love with Angel. Let us have her younger sister fall in love with his son. No thank you)
I think that is all I can think of.
I will admit that Spike is the only character that I can read pair up with pretty much anybody. I am just a Spike addict. LOL But I will always be a Spuffy fan. Spuffy is where my heart really is.
Jan 15 2008 04:04 pm #24SpikesKatMac
I'll read just about anything if it has good writing; I am a serious Spike addict, and will read just about any pairing that he's involved in. My fanon faves are:
Spike/Xander (something about the relationship just speaks to me; some of my favorite stories are Spander)
Spike/Dawn (has to be REALLY well written, to get past the whole brother/sister vibe)
Spike/Oz (I really wish Oz had had more on-screen time with Spike; think they would have had great chemistry)
Spike/Tara (think they would have made a great couple)
Anya/Giles (think they were MUCH better suited than Anya/Xander; love stories where they wake up after TR and stay together)
Tara/Oz (think they were very well suited)
Liam/William stories (some of the AU ones out there are fantastic)
Dawn/Connor (think they'd make a sweet couple)
Spike/Fred (ditto)
Spike/Xander (something about the relationship just speaks to me; some of my favorite stories are Spander)
Spike/Dawn (has to be REALLY well written, to get past the whole brother/sister vibe)
Spike/Oz (I really wish Oz had had more on-screen time with Spike; think they would have had great chemistry)
Spike/Tara (think they would have made a great couple)
Anya/Giles (think they were MUCH better suited than Anya/Xander; love stories where they wake up after TR and stay together)
Tara/Oz (think they were very well suited)
Liam/William stories (some of the AU ones out there are fantastic)
Dawn/Connor (think they'd make a sweet couple)
Spike/Fred (ditto)
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Jan 15 2008 04:20 pm #25GoldenBuffy
I will say that I did enjoy one Spawn it was by Zoe Grace (where is she by the way?) But Angelus was involved too. Other than that I can't get with Spawn. And the bad thing is, when I do find one I'll read it to see if it's any good. And like I said before some are ver good. It's just blech for me. Spike can be paired up with anyone other than Dawn. I also don't like Spander. I'll read some of it, the good ones, but ewww. I cannot see Spike going for Xander in any life time.
I heart Spike/Angel and Spike/Angelus though. *sigh*
I've never read any William/Liam ones. Got a link?
Oh, this fic was the one that got me into slash. I will say I was all kinds of flipping out, but I couldn't stop reading it, lol. I can't remember the title of the fic, but it was writen by a fellow simmer for the PC game the Sims. She did a cross over with Lord of the Rings and RL actors Viggi (is that how you spell his name?) and Orlando. I was good for me any ways. I read this back in 04. But I think I can find it if anyone wants to read.
I heart Spike/Angel and Spike/Angelus though. *sigh*
I've never read any William/Liam ones. Got a link?
Oh, this fic was the one that got me into slash. I will say I was all kinds of flipping out, but I couldn't stop reading it, lol. I can't remember the title of the fic, but it was writen by a fellow simmer for the PC game the Sims. She did a cross over with Lord of the Rings and RL actors Viggi (is that how you spell his name?) and Orlando. I was good for me any ways. I read this back in 04. But I think I can find it if anyone wants to read.
And in the air the fireflies
Our only light in paradise
We'll show the world they were wrong
And teach them all to sing along
Our only light in paradise
We'll show the world they were wrong
And teach them all to sing along
I know a pretty good Liam/William and Spike/Angel fic.
It's called Charming Billy by spikesfool. http://www.athenewolfe.com/justrewards/viewstory.php?sid=1403
I've actually read a few Spawn stories, but I could never really get into them because I just keep on picture Spike and Dawn as pseudo brother and sister. The best I ever read was by speakers-to-customers, who also got me into reading Spillow with the fic Angel of the Morning.
I'll read Spander sometimes, when they are really well written, but I can't really get into it.
It's called Charming Billy by spikesfool. http://www.athenewolfe.com/justrewards/viewstory.php?sid=1403
I've actually read a few Spawn stories, but I could never really get into them because I just keep on picture Spike and Dawn as pseudo brother and sister. The best I ever read was by speakers-to-customers, who also got me into reading Spillow with the fic Angel of the Morning.
I'll read Spander sometimes, when they are really well written, but I can't really get into it.
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Jan 15 2008 05:22 pm #27SpikesKatMac
I was never a Spander fan until I read these two stories: a fantastic novel length story called Repossession by Lazuli http://lazuli.kat.users.btopenworld.com/repossession.htm and Changes (1 & 2) by Tabaqui http://www.catbones.com/scarecrow-horses/fanfiction.html; I do not possess the words to describe how good these stories are; it really isn't so much about slash as its about two people who need and love each other; I kid you not, I cried through the last four chapters of Changes 2. The stories were so good I went on to read everything on the author's sites. They were absolutely amazing. You need to read them!!!
A really good William/Liam one I read recently was this one: http://felisblanco.livejournal.com/85042.html; almost made me cry at the end
A really good William/Liam one I read recently was this one: http://felisblanco.livejournal.com/85042.html; almost made me cry at the end
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Jan 15 2008 06:37 pm #28TammyDevil666
I love me some Spander, I think they could be really hot together. I haven't read a lot, but I have written it a few times. I'm mostly all about the Spuffy, so I was surprised by how easy it was.
When I say, "I love you," it's not because I want you or because I can't have you. It has nothing to do with me. I love what you are, what you do, how you try. I've seen your kindness and your strength. I've seen the best and the worst of you, and I understand with perfect clarity exactly what you are. You're a hell of a woman. You're the one, Buffy.
Are we sharing Spike/Xander stories now? Because my favorite so far is Sidelines. http://www.drizzle.com/~eliade/xander_spike.html
Jan 16 2008 08:42 pm #30pfeifferpack
I like Ganya, Giles/Ethan, Xander/Illyria, Giles/Joyce, Willow/Fred more than other. I'm not really into slash but Spangel is the one Spike pairing that makes any sense to me (just can't see the emotional foundation for Spander or Spriley at all even though I can see Spike with a guy if he loved him).
For those who say Spawn can never work...check out Ten Years Later by Curiouswombat (wife of Speakr2customrs and a fine writer herself.). The premise makes it a go. It is 10 years past Chosen so Dawn is no child and the reasons for them to be together make absolute sense in every way.
Kathleen
For those who say Spawn can never work...check out Ten Years Later by Curiouswombat (wife of Speakr2customrs and a fine writer herself.). The premise makes it a go. It is 10 years past Chosen so Dawn is no child and the reasons for them to be together make absolute sense in every way.
Kathleen
Jan 17 2008 12:02 am #31SpikesKatMac
Because my favorite so far is Sidelines
SpikeHot, I've read that one too, and it's awesome. If you really enjoyed that, give the two I mentioned a try; you will LOVE them
SpikeHot, I've read that one too, and it's awesome. If you really enjoyed that, give the two I mentioned a try; you will LOVE them
A beautiful and ineffectual angel, beating in the void his luminous wings in vain - Matthew Arnold
Jan 17 2008 03:45 am #32GoldenBuffy
It is 10 years past Chosen so Dawn is no child and the reasons for them to be together make absolute sense in every way.
Her age doesn't bother me. Lets say if she and SPiek got together when she was 17 or even 16 in a fic, Buffy bonked Angel when she was 17. Age is not the problem (for me). The concept of Spawn is NASTY, period. I just can't swallow it. The name (Spawn) and Dawn and Spike, for me, just don't work. I know some will kill me for this, but I could see Spike having a realtionship with Joyce and of course Buffy, but not Dawn. It just seems wrong in my eyes.
Her age doesn't bother me. Lets say if she and SPiek got together when she was 17 or even 16 in a fic, Buffy bonked Angel when she was 17. Age is not the problem (for me). The concept of Spawn is NASTY, period. I just can't swallow it. The name (Spawn) and Dawn and Spike, for me, just don't work. I know some will kill me for this, but I could see Spike having a realtionship with Joyce and of course Buffy, but not Dawn. It just seems wrong in my eyes.
And in the air the fireflies
Our only light in paradise
We'll show the world they were wrong
And teach them all to sing along
Our only light in paradise
We'll show the world they were wrong
And teach them all to sing along
One of the reason that I don't particularly care for Spawn is not so much that a mature Dawn and Spike could not fall in love but more that it's really great to have a couple of characters that serve as Beautiful Friendship - Spike and Tara work the same way for me, I love that some of the characters could just be Beautiful and Wonderful Friends without any sexuality entering in the relationship.
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Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
SpikeHot, I've read that one too, and it's awesome. If you really enjoyed that, give the two I mentioned a try; you will LOVE them
I've read Changes and it was great, I've always dreaded reading Repossession, because it's really long. But I'll give it a try. I have a shorter Spike/Xander story for you, it's called The Shadow By The Door. It's quite creepy, but full of delicious Spike angst. http://lusciousxander.livejournal.com/65711.html#cutid1
Jan 17 2008 07:39 pm #35Scarlet Ibis
Kathleen, please link me to "Ten Years Later."
And hey, I don' understand personally why some can read Spander and not Spawn. If Xander's gay, I could see him having a crush on Spike, but Spike wouldn't put up with that, and he'd have to settle for Andrew. Spike and Dawn would *so* have happened if Buffy didn't come back, or hey, maybe even *gasps* ten years later. I really wanna read that now... Oh, and Spike couldn't be gay unless it was with Angel/Angelus. It just doesn't read right in my brain in any way.
And hey, I don' understand personally why some can read Spander and not Spawn. If Xander's gay, I could see him having a crush on Spike, but Spike wouldn't put up with that, and he'd have to settle for Andrew. Spike and Dawn would *so* have happened if Buffy didn't come back, or hey, maybe even *gasps* ten years later. I really wanna read that now... Oh, and Spike couldn't be gay unless it was with Angel/Angelus. It just doesn't read right in my brain in any way.
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The reason I enjoy Spander more than Spawn is how much it's similar to Spuffy, Xander thinks Spike is a soulless thing, but never denied he was attractive. Spike never saw Xander as special but would rather drink his blood over eating his beloved onion rings. It'll always start with meaningless sex between these two and then things will develop. Xander hating himself for sleeping with Spike, but then discovering a new side of him, one Spike only showed to Buffy and Dawn. Spike discovering a new side of Xander, that the poof of a boy was actually a brave loyal man.
I don't know, I just enjoy reading the conflict between those two when things gets complicated between them.
The best season to have Spander are either season four when both were outsiders and looked down at. Or season seven when Spike was living with Xander. Of course, some writers can manage getting these two together at any season, I presonally prefer them together in season four or seven.
I don't know, I just enjoy reading the conflict between those two when things gets complicated between them.
The best season to have Spander are either season four when both were outsiders and looked down at. Or season seven when Spike was living with Xander. Of course, some writers can manage getting these two together at any season, I presonally prefer them together in season four or seven.
I love that some of the characters could just be Beautiful and Wonderful Friends without any sexuality entering in the relationship.
Well, the nice thing about fanfic is that you can have both, in different stories, and enjoy them equally and separately. Liking one doesn't preclude liking the other, just like being a Spuffy fan doesn't prevent all of us from being fans of Spillow, Spara, Spangel, Spander, etc.
Well, the nice thing about fanfic is that you can have both, in different stories, and enjoy them equally and separately. Liking one doesn't preclude liking the other, just like being a Spuffy fan doesn't prevent all of us from being fans of Spillow, Spara, Spangel, Spander, etc.
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Jan 18 2008 03:19 am #38GoldenBuffy
I don't liek Spander, I don't buy it no matter how good the fic it. Spike would never fall for Xander. And even if Buffy never came back I still don't think Spike and Dawn would have gotten together in a sexual relationship. Yes Dawn had a crush on him, but that's only natural. All girls have a crush on some hot hunk in their teenage years, lol. I think I had like seven, two of which were student teachers, and one of those teacher like dme too. But nothing happened. Once Dawn matured and passed those years she would hav emoved on by then, and from her crush.
As for Spike. That's a bit shaddy for me. If it was Spike pre-soul then I really believe he would have no hang ups getting with her, or taking what he wanted from her, even with the love he felt towards her. But souled Spike, no. I feel even if Dawn acted on her feelings he would have pushed her away, wanting her to have a normal life. She wasn't a slayer, or a potental, she could be a watcher and have a "normal" life. The kids, the white picket fence, everything he couldn't give her. With Buffy, she wasn't going to get that, ever. But with Dawn, she has that option, and Spike would never take that from her.
As for Spike. That's a bit shaddy for me. If it was Spike pre-soul then I really believe he would have no hang ups getting with her, or taking what he wanted from her, even with the love he felt towards her. But souled Spike, no. I feel even if Dawn acted on her feelings he would have pushed her away, wanting her to have a normal life. She wasn't a slayer, or a potental, she could be a watcher and have a "normal" life. The kids, the white picket fence, everything he couldn't give her. With Buffy, she wasn't going to get that, ever. But with Dawn, she has that option, and Spike would never take that from her.
And in the air the fireflies
Our only light in paradise
We'll show the world they were wrong
And teach them all to sing along
Our only light in paradise
We'll show the world they were wrong
And teach them all to sing along
Jan 18 2008 05:34 am #39Scarlet Ibis
GB, I agree with your sentiments on Spander. But as for Spawn, if Buffy was never resurrected, well...
I think, they were on the outtermost skirts of the Scooby gang, and with Giles' gone, they would mostly have just each other. At the very least, Spike would have her moreso than the rest. Tara was there for Dawn, but everyone else just kind of dealt with her just cause she's there, and Spike and Dawn's relationship isn't like that. Sure, he's got this strong conviction that he must protect her, but he isn't just the baby sitter. I could see her pursuing him as opposed to the other way around, like Buffy did Angel, and he's lonely--he could only rebuke her advances (because of the shadow of Buffy's death, and what he believes to be his failure) only for so long. Dawn, likewise, would not be able to escape her crush from him, because he would've been there like all of the time, and any high school boy would simply pale in comparison. "He doesn't have that Spike swagger. He's not as clever as Spike, or as smart. The boy is down right dull." Unless of course, he has a magical jacket
It wouldn't happen right away, but if Buffy never came back, I think it's plausible a Spawn could've bloomed into action through the duration of an AU s6. And I don't mean oodles of naughty, "forbidden" sex either--they would've had more of an emotional relationship first, which would have laid some solid ground work for intimacy later. Dawn was like his best friend, and he already loves her, and I think, she him, once upon a time. I don't think it would've taken much of a push for that to develop into being in love.
I think, they were on the outtermost skirts of the Scooby gang, and with Giles' gone, they would mostly have just each other. At the very least, Spike would have her moreso than the rest. Tara was there for Dawn, but everyone else just kind of dealt with her just cause she's there, and Spike and Dawn's relationship isn't like that. Sure, he's got this strong conviction that he must protect her, but he isn't just the baby sitter. I could see her pursuing him as opposed to the other way around, like Buffy did Angel, and he's lonely--he could only rebuke her advances (because of the shadow of Buffy's death, and what he believes to be his failure) only for so long. Dawn, likewise, would not be able to escape her crush from him, because he would've been there like all of the time, and any high school boy would simply pale in comparison. "He doesn't have that Spike swagger. He's not as clever as Spike, or as smart. The boy is down right dull." Unless of course, he has a magical jacket
It wouldn't happen right away, but if Buffy never came back, I think it's plausible a Spawn could've bloomed into action through the duration of an AU s6. And I don't mean oodles of naughty, "forbidden" sex either--they would've had more of an emotional relationship first, which would have laid some solid ground work for intimacy later. Dawn was like his best friend, and he already loves her, and I think, she him, once upon a time. I don't think it would've taken much of a push for that to develop into being in love."Just when the caterpillar thought the world was over, it became a butterfly."
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I won't comment on the spander or the spawn, but the couples that id love to see are illyria and xander (he would happily be her new pet) also, I'd like to see buffy and dru (I've only read two stories that have devloped a relationship between them)
I love spike with everyone.....minus his surrogate sister!.....I even like spike with willam, but dawn just squicks me out......I failed @ not mentioning it...sorry
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Spawn used to squick me - and still does, if it's not portrayed in a believable way. There's definitely a brother/sister vibe there, and a good Spawn has to surmount or subvert that relationship to make it work. But Dawn did have a crush on Spike, so there's definitely potential for it to develop into something more.
What I've found is that Spawn tends to work when one or both of them is vulnerable, in a dark, despairing place. Buffy's death is a prime catalyst for Spawn, IMO. It doesn't always make for cheerful fics, but the relationship is realistic. ClawofCat has two great Spawn fics, both of which delve into that "intimacy born out of despair" concept: Truth Awakened, a post-The Gift fic where Spike is vulnerable and Dawn is acting out, and Little Lost Lamb, a mid-season 5 fic where Spike helps Dawn cope with a terrible trauma (warning: rape).
There have been other really awesome Spawn fics that have helped change my mind on the squick aspect, but Cat's the only one that's easy to remember. I've gotta start keeping track of good fics...
What I've found is that Spawn tends to work when one or both of them is vulnerable, in a dark, despairing place. Buffy's death is a prime catalyst for Spawn, IMO. It doesn't always make for cheerful fics, but the relationship is realistic. ClawofCat has two great Spawn fics, both of which delve into that "intimacy born out of despair" concept: Truth Awakened, a post-The Gift fic where Spike is vulnerable and Dawn is acting out, and Little Lost Lamb, a mid-season 5 fic where Spike helps Dawn cope with a terrible trauma (warning: rape).
There have been other really awesome Spawn fics that have helped change my mind on the squick aspect, but Cat's the only one that's easy to remember. I've gotta start keeping track of good fics...
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Jan 18 2008 06:08 am #42Scarlet Ibis
"Two Summers" by theohara (WIP that happens five years after "The Gift," in which there was no real gift...Buffy, Dawn and Giles flee to England) and "Let the World Spin" (complete, where there was also no gift, but Buffy dies trying to protect her sister.) by Wesley's Girl. Two kick ass Spawn fics.
"Just when the caterpillar thought the world was over, it became a butterfly."
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Oh yeah, Two Summers... isn't that the one you sent me chapters of, Scarlet? Gosh, I wish that were finished. That was probably one of the first Spawn fics I read... and it also had Buffy/Xander, didn't it? Which just goes to show how good it was, because it'd be a cold day in hell before I read Spawn AND Bander in the same fic, lol.
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Jan 18 2008 06:40 am #44Scarlet Ibis
*gg* Yeah, it is. Strangely, I didn't have a problem with the Bander either. Some people are just too damn talented for their own good 
Unfortunately, RL took a rough hold of the author's life...I don't think it'll be finished anytime soon.
Unfortunately, RL took a rough hold of the author's life...I don't think it'll be finished anytime soon."Just when the caterpillar thought the world was over, it became a butterfly."
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That was the story you sent me, Scarlet, it was really amazing. I don't usually read Spike with another female or Buffy with another male, but I can be flexible. I was sold on both Spike/Dawn and Xander/Buffy. Writing stories is hard, which was why I gave up on mine because I discovered I lack talent
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