BSV Forum - General - The Bloodshedpub
Octuple TakeJun 12 2008 03:55 am #1Immortal Beloved
I just finished watching "Something Blue" for the umpteenth time. I love that episode, and not just for the obvious Spuffiness. It's campy, and Giles is perhaps at his funniest. I can recite the best lines; I laugh. But after all the times I've watched that episode, I just now noticed that, at the end when Willow is passing out her cookies of penance, she's wearing a shirt that says, "Speak no evil." I can't believe I never noticed that. It's not even as though I was distracted once Spike wasn't in the shot. Go fig.
So, fellow obsessed BtVS fans, what little things like Willow's shirt that you've come across when re-watching episodes? I'm sure there are plenty more little details that I've missed, and if you share, I can pay closer attention next time
So, fellow obsessed BtVS fans, what little things like Willow's shirt that you've come across when re-watching episodes? I'm sure there are plenty more little details that I've missed, and if you share, I can pay closer attention next time
Give me Spuffy, or give me death.
I don't have anything, off the top of head, that I can add to the thread regarding things I missed, but notices after watching again. If I think so something, I'll reply again.
I just had to say that I think this is a great and fun thread and like you, I hope to see some fun things I hadn't seen before.
Oh, and I love the thread title!
I just had to say that I think this is a great and fun thread and like you, I hope to see some fun things I hadn't seen before.
Oh, and I love the thread title!
Jun 12 2008 06:40 am #3Scarlet Ibis
You never noticed her shirt? For shame, IB!
As for things in that particular ep...Spike mistakenly says to Buffy "when I get this spell reversed" in regards to the chip, cause it's not a spell...
Oh, and I hate how in the reruns they cut out the part about Buffy saying "I think Will's doing okay" or something to Giles, and Spike's all like "She's barely hanging on by a thread," and Buffy and Giles both look kind of shamed at not noticing. Okay, I'm gonna stop now....
As for things in that particular ep...Spike mistakenly says to Buffy "when I get this spell reversed" in regards to the chip, cause it's not a spell...
Oh, and I hate how in the reruns they cut out the part about Buffy saying "I think Will's doing okay" or something to Giles, and Spike's all like "She's barely hanging on by a thread," and Buffy and Giles both look kind of shamed at not noticing. Okay, I'm gonna stop now....
"Just when the caterpillar thought the world was over, it became a butterfly."
https://www.facebook.com/FangirlNovel
https://www.facebook.com/FangirlNovel
Jun 13 2008 01:12 am #4Spikez_tart
Immortal - I notice something everytime I re-watch an episode. Either I'm lame (probably) or there's just a lot of little things to be noticed. Something I never noticed, but someone pointed out in the episode where the jock is wearing the magic coat, while visiting the jock's brother, Spike turns the little ceramic angel figures to the wall. I was too busy snorting about the poetry writing.
If we want her to be exactly she'll never be exactly I know the only really real Buffy is really Buffy and she's gone' who?
Jun 13 2008 02:44 am #5slaymesoftly
Moderator
Oh, this is going to be fun thread! Not that I remember anything specific ATM, but I do know that I see something new almost every time I watch an episode.
BTW, Scarlet - I think at that point, Spike doesn't actually know why he can't bite - just that he can't. So he might very well assume that it was some sort of spell. Can't recall off the top of my head when and/or how he and the Scoobies find out about the chip, but I don't think he knew about it at first.
BTW, Scarlet - I think at that point, Spike doesn't actually know why he can't bite - just that he can't. So he might very well assume that it was some sort of spell. Can't recall off the top of my head when and/or how he and the Scoobies find out about the chip, but I don't think he knew about it at first.
I am not a minion of Evil...
I am upper management.
I am upper management.
Jun 13 2008 04:49 am #6Immortal Beloved
I think at that point, Spike doesn't actually know why he can't bite - just that he can't.
Yeah, I noticed that he said that it was a spell, too, but they aren't really sure what it is at that point.
Spike turns the little ceramic angel figures to the wall.
I know about that one. I love that part
Yeah, I noticed that he said that it was a spell, too, but they aren't really sure what it is at that point.
Spike turns the little ceramic angel figures to the wall.
I know about that one. I love that part
Give me Spuffy, or give me death.
Jun 13 2008 02:19 pm #7Guest
Guest
I don't know if this really counts, but it took me a couple of times watching the episode to catch it. In "School Hard" we get a bit of Willow's comedic genius when she asks Buffy how much sugar she used in the lemonade, to which Buffy replies, "Sugar?" just as Willow takes a drink, makes one of the funniest faces as she chokes it down and tells her "It's...very good." We then later see Willow gesticulating wildly in the background as someone else tries to take a drink afterwards. I laugh hysterically at that scene!
Jun 13 2008 05:51 pm #8TammyDevil666
She stops Joyce from drinking it, but when it's Cordelia, she tells her to have some. I love that scene, too. I can't really think of anything else to add at the moment.
When I say, "I love you," it's not because I want you or because I can't have you. It has nothing to do with me. I love what you are, what you do, how you try. I've seen your kindness and your strength. I've seen the best and the worst of you, and I understand with perfect clarity exactly what you are. You're a hell of a woman. You're the one, Buffy.
In the S6 season premiere, when Giles was leaving Tara gives him a toy monster as a going-away-present and says "Grrr-Arrgh," just like in the Mutant Enemy signoff. Snort!
EDT: Oh, and I think that was the same episode that had the dorky vampire in the "Hanson" T-Shirt, talking to the motorcycle demons. That was some "biting" pop-commentary
EDT: Oh, and I think that was the same episode that had the dorky vampire in the "Hanson" T-Shirt, talking to the motorcycle demons. That was some "biting" pop-commentary
Oh, and Andrew painting the uncompleted Death Star on the side of the Trio's Mini-Van of Eternal Dorkness was pretty great too! LOL!
Jun 13 2008 10:32 pm #11TammyDevil666
I cracked up when I saw that vamp in the Hanson shirt. Oh yeah, that makes him so terrifying. Dusted a perfectly good shirt, though.
When I say, "I love you," it's not because I want you or because I can't have you. It has nothing to do with me. I love what you are, what you do, how you try. I've seen your kindness and your strength. I've seen the best and the worst of you, and I understand with perfect clarity exactly what you are. You're a hell of a woman. You're the one, Buffy.
Jun 13 2008 11:37 pm #12Guest
Guest
It took at least four watching of the episode when Faith first shows up for me to realize when they have a big shot over the entire dance floor, which only had like six couples dancing on it, that we clearly saw Faith and the bad-fashion, crazy-dancing vamp together. Right after that the gang sits down with Buffy and Cordelia points out Faith and her partner, and I can't believe I missed that they didn't magically appear only after being pointed out. They were right there, and the vampire's dancing was so noticeable!
One of my favorite "clothes" symbols because it is so poignant and a perfect use of imagery is the little heart on Dawn's pj's during their bedroom scene together in "Dead Things" The costumes tell so much about all the characters and each episode - like the black shirt Spike wears in the same episode - the pattern is in black and white and suggests the yin-yang form, the Sun and Moon symbols and reminds me of how Buffy sees Spike as the face of her dark side.
Which season is it that Buffy always has some butterfly symbol on her clothes or her hair - is that when she first goes to college?
Ditto on the great title -
Which season is it that Buffy always has some butterfly symbol on her clothes or her hair - is that when she first goes to college?
Ditto on the great title -
” Recent evolutionary models have demonstrated what politicians have long known: the best way to get people to collaborate and to think like a group is to identify an enemy and charge that “they” threaten “us.”
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Jun 14 2008 10:47 am #14Scarlet Ibis
In "Go Fish," and Angelus attacks...um that guy from Prison Break, Buffy pulls chopsticks out of her hair, and poses as if she's ready to stake him. Only, they're plastic. There was no real reason for Angelus to back off on that one.
Also, at the end of "Something Blue," it was incredibly ridiculous to have Spike tied up to a chair at the end, when his hands were free. What was the point in that?
Also, at the end of "Something Blue," it was incredibly ridiculous to have Spike tied up to a chair at the end, when his hands were free. What was the point in that?
"Just when the caterpillar thought the world was over, it became a butterfly."
https://www.facebook.com/FangirlNovel
https://www.facebook.com/FangirlNovel
Jun 14 2008 02:34 pm #15Guest
Guest
I always assumed the tying up at the end of Something Blue was done just because Buffy was still annoyed that she'd been engaged to him. It was obvious after the events of that episode that he really couldn't hurt anybody, and it was the last time we saw him tied up until he started staying at Xander's. I imagine she started tying him up as a catharsis, realized it was pointless, then gave up halfway through and commenced with the sitting-on-stool-staring-at-vampire thing.
Speaking of Spike's stay at Xander's, it took me at least three watchings of Hush before I noticed the ENORMOUS BULGE Spike is sporting as he's slouched in that red chair, giving Xander the silent two-fingered salute. *guh*
Coquine
Speaking of Spike's stay at Xander's, it took me at least three watchings of Hush before I noticed the ENORMOUS BULGE Spike is sporting as he's slouched in that red chair, giving Xander the silent two-fingered salute. *guh*
Coquine
Jun 14 2008 08:54 pm #16Guest
Guest
One thing I noticed after several times of watching was that ugly shirt Xander wears in Something Blue makes a second appearance. I think the episode was Goodbye Iowa, when all of the Scoobies are staying in Xander's basement. Anya is wearing the shirt. I don't know how I could miss it because I can't watch Something Blue (which I watch at least five times a year since I bought it) without thinking about how horrible Xander's shirt is.
Jun 14 2008 09:03 pm #17Scarlet Ibis
Huge bulge, you say? There's another in "Gone" when Doris shows up, and Spike is lounging in the chair. It's when he says, "So, we gonna suss this out or what?" or something, and his hands resting on it.
As for wardrobe repeats, Willow wears the same pink velvet dress in s3 when she's kidnapped by the Mayor again in s5 when Tara is brain sucked.
As for wardrobe repeats, Willow wears the same pink velvet dress in s3 when she's kidnapped by the Mayor again in s5 when Tara is brain sucked.
"Just when the caterpillar thought the world was over, it became a butterfly."
https://www.facebook.com/FangirlNovel
https://www.facebook.com/FangirlNovel
Jun 14 2008 10:29 pm #18Immortal Beloved
Buffy pulls chopsticks out of her hair, and poses as if she's ready to stake him. Only, they're plastic.
Ha! I never noticed that. Of course, I don't tend to watch Angel(us) centered episodes as much as others.
at the end of "Something Blue," it was incredibly ridiculous to have Spike tied up to a chair at the end, when his hands were free.
Hmm...I never thought about that. I always assumed it was because they just wanted to prevent him from escaping. Of course, now that I think about it, he could have just untied himself
ENORMOUS BULGE
Oooooooo. Gotta love the enormous bulges. I noticed quite a large one when I was watching the Gem of Amarra episode on AtS the other day. Note to self: gotta get AtS on DVD.
Ha! I never noticed that. Of course, I don't tend to watch Angel(us) centered episodes as much as others.
at the end of "Something Blue," it was incredibly ridiculous to have Spike tied up to a chair at the end, when his hands were free.
Hmm...I never thought about that. I always assumed it was because they just wanted to prevent him from escaping. Of course, now that I think about it, he could have just untied himself
ENORMOUS BULGE
Oooooooo. Gotta love the enormous bulges. I noticed quite a large one when I was watching the Gem of Amarra episode on AtS the other day. Note to self: gotta get AtS on DVD.
Give me Spuffy, or give me death.
Jun 14 2008 10:30 pm #19Immortal Beloved
Buffy pulls chopsticks out of her hair, and poses as if she's ready to stake him. Only, they're plastic.
Ha! I never noticed that. Of course, I don't tend to watch Angel(us) centered episodes as much as others.
at the end of "Something Blue," it was incredibly ridiculous to have Spike tied up to a chair at the end, when his hands were free.
Hmm...I never thought about that. I always assumed it was because they just wanted to prevent him from escaping. Of course, now that I think about it, he could have just untied himself
ENORMOUS BULGE
Oooooooo. Gotta love the enormous bulges. I noticed quite a large one when I was watching the Gem of Amarra episode on AtS the other day. Note to self: gotta get AtS on DVD.
Ha! I never noticed that. Of course, I don't tend to watch Angel(us) centered episodes as much as others.
at the end of "Something Blue," it was incredibly ridiculous to have Spike tied up to a chair at the end, when his hands were free.
Hmm...I never thought about that. I always assumed it was because they just wanted to prevent him from escaping. Of course, now that I think about it, he could have just untied himself
ENORMOUS BULGE
Oooooooo. Gotta love the enormous bulges. I noticed quite a large one when I was watching the Gem of Amarra episode on AtS the other day. Note to self: gotta get AtS on DVD.
Give me Spuffy, or give me death.
Jun 14 2008 10:50 pm #20TammyDevil666
Okay, how did I never notice his bulges? I need to go back and pay better attention.
When I say, "I love you," it's not because I want you or because I can't have you. It has nothing to do with me. I love what you are, what you do, how you try. I've seen your kindness and your strength. I've seen the best and the worst of you, and I understand with perfect clarity exactly what you are. You're a hell of a woman. You're the one, Buffy.
James Marsters certainly had a wonderful physique in FFL - he looks absolutely the epitome of Super Bad Man/Vamp in the rail card scene with Nikki -
Watched FFL during my lunch break - nice Buffy Break - I love this episode except I could never understand why Joyce was taking toiletries for an overnight hospital stay -
I do like how Buffy and Spike wear similar clothing in their last scene - and Buffy again wears variations of brown/beige and black during one of her brutal scenes with the important male figure -
Watched FFL during my lunch break - nice Buffy Break - I love this episode except I could never understand why Joyce was taking toiletries for an overnight hospital stay -
I do like how Buffy and Spike wear similar clothing in their last scene - and Buffy again wears variations of brown/beige and black during one of her brutal scenes with the important male figure -
” Recent evolutionary models have demonstrated what politicians have long known: the best way to get people to collaborate and to think like a group is to identify an enemy and charge that “they” threaten “us.”
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Jun 15 2008 06:19 am #22Scarlet Ibis
Similar clothing? The last scene in which ep?
They were mirroing each other in OMWF--Buffy with a long, leather duster, red shirt and, well, dark jeans (and for I think was the first time ever, and perhaps the last, blood red lipstick which was not typical for her), and Spike, reprising his red button down, and the rest of his regular attire.
They were mirroing each other in OMWF--Buffy with a long, leather duster, red shirt and, well, dark jeans (and for I think was the first time ever, and perhaps the last, blood red lipstick which was not typical for her), and Spike, reprising his red button down, and the rest of his regular attire.
"Just when the caterpillar thought the world was over, it became a butterfly."
https://www.facebook.com/FangirlNovel
https://www.facebook.com/FangirlNovel
Jun 15 2008 06:00 pm #23Guest
Guest
Does anyone know why in the world Buffy suddenly had to wear long-sleeves, jeans, thick coats, scarfs, sweaters, and the like? Did they ever bring up an actual reason? I know people say it's to resist temptation with Spike, but did no one in canon ever mention it or even remark about the change in style?
Plus, people, jeans can seem to bulge in that area when you're sitting because the fabric bends out, so don't go thinking he's constantly... I can't even write it.
Plus in season seven, I had to watch twice before noticing Anya is wearing a white shirt with the outline of a bunny's head on it during the episode when she's staying at the apartment while Xander goes out because they think Spike might be killing again.
Plus, people, jeans can seem to bulge in that area when you're sitting because the fabric bends out, so don't go thinking he's constantly... I can't even write it.
Plus in season seven, I had to watch twice before noticing Anya is wearing a white shirt with the outline of a bunny's head on it during the episode when she's staying at the apartment while Xander goes out because they think Spike might be killing again.
Jun 15 2008 06:09 pm #24Scarlet Ibis
Guest, chillax. No one's saying he's constantly HARD. There've been plenty of times when there was no bulge. However, I'm fairly certain that in the incident that I was referring to, it was all props. The scene prior, Spike's in the kitchen with Buffy, and it's clear that he was meant to be hard then. The scene was to make Buffy all that much more horrified to have him sitting there, like that, all casual in front of the social worker.
"Just when the caterpillar thought the world was over, it became a butterfly."
https://www.facebook.com/FangirlNovel
https://www.facebook.com/FangirlNovel
Jun 16 2008 12:29 am #25Immortal Beloved
Guest, chillax. No one's saying he's constantly HARD.
Yeah, Guest. I wasn't even referring to being sexually aroused. I like to think of it as natural bulge
Besides, I'm surprised our boy could even walk in pants that tight
Yeah, Guest. I wasn't even referring to being sexually aroused. I like to think of it as natural bulge
Besides, I'm surprised our boy could even walk in pants that tight Give me Spuffy, or give me death.
I certainly have nothing intelligent to add to the current wave of discussion : )
Things I noticed because I was paying more attention to Giles more this time around. I've been watching s4. In The Yoko Factor, Giles drops his shirt on Xander from the loft. Then Xander asked Willow, "She's your girlfriend?" and above Giles exclaims "Bloody hell." LOL! I loved it.
And in Primevel when Giles says, "Well, uh, Spike can be very convincing when he...when...when...when--I'm very stupid."
I'm sure I saw these things the first time, but they cracked me up. So, I thought I'd share.
Things I noticed because I was paying more attention to Giles more this time around. I've been watching s4. In The Yoko Factor, Giles drops his shirt on Xander from the loft. Then Xander asked Willow, "She's your girlfriend?" and above Giles exclaims "Bloody hell." LOL! I loved it.
And in Primevel when Giles says, "Well, uh, Spike can be very convincing when he...when...when...when--I'm very stupid."
I'm sure I saw these things the first time, but they cracked me up. So, I thought I'd share.
Jun 17 2008 05:49 am #27goldenusagi
At the beginning of 'Hush,' when they're arguing about who's going to take Spike the next day, and Xander, Anya, and Spike are all talking at once, you can hear Spike say, "Well, he better have cable, because I'm not missing Passions," right before the scene changes. I didn't catch that the first time.
While watching "School Hard" recently, I was paying attention to Spike's bloody cheek, 'cos it's, you know, hot. Then, when Buffy is painting the banner for Back to School Night, she has a red paint smear on the same cheek. I've watched that episode more times than I like to admit, but it was the first time I noticed their matching "war wounds". It made me feel like their whole story was kismet from the start, even though the writers didn't plan it that way. All hail the makeup ladies!
Jun 17 2008 01:22 pm #29Guest
Guest
There have been icons of the bulge moments for years, lol. I also think of that promo shot with Spike standing kind of in profile, and those button-fly jeans are...uh...straining. Those jeans were James', by the way. Spike's initial wardrobe was his actual clothes, except for the boots and the coat until he finally got a new wardrobe. After a while, the crew was begging for new jeans, at least, since they were getting so worn out......commando boy was giving views.
There's no canon remark towards Buffy's bundling up, but a lot of the sexual relationship does take place in winter, and Sarah always bundled up then, anyway, because she gets cold easy. I think the dark stuff is indicative of her mood, but wearing coats, etc., was how Buffy always dressed part of the year. The girly skirts had already been left behind for high school, same with the platform sandals that are asking for a broken ankle.
CM
Jun 17 2008 03:33 pm #30Guest
Guest
Spike and Buffy were meant to be mirror images of each other when he was first created, which the directors named as the reason for the matching 'war wounds'.
What I missed was this little disgusted look on Anya's face during Something Blue when Spike and Buffy start kissing, because for some reason I always focused on Xander's shocked face for that part.
What I missed was this little disgusted look on Anya's face during Something Blue when Spike and Buffy start kissing, because for some reason I always focused on Xander's shocked face for that part.
Jun 18 2008 02:41 am #31Immortal Beloved
Spike and Buffy were meant to be mirror images of each other when he was first created, which the directors named as the reason for the matching 'war wounds'.
Well, he better have cable, because I'm not missing Passions
Two things I never noticed before. :runs off to look at screen caps:
After a while, the crew was begging for new jeans, at least, since they were getting so worn out......commando boy was giving views.
Were they crazy???? James in threadbare jeans =
Well, he better have cable, because I'm not missing Passions
Two things I never noticed before. :runs off to look at screen caps:
After a while, the crew was begging for new jeans, at least, since they were getting so worn out......commando boy was giving views.
Were they crazy???? James in threadbare jeans =
Give me Spuffy, or give me death.
Jun 18 2008 02:52 am #32Guest
Guest
I think they were just men, IB. Silly, but ya know how they are..... 
CM
CM
Jun 18 2008 04:03 am #33Guest
Guest
Watching the season two Halloween episode, someone had to point out to me after the octuple take that after Ethan smashes the statue and Buffy remembers and hits Spike, he's laid out flat against the crates and there is a definite flash of skin from the pants area! 
Despite lots of jokes in fics about Spike's tight jeans, the only time I noticed his jeans being really tight was in Becoming pt 2 when he struts down the front porch of the Summer house after dusting Angelus' vamp minion, the camera focusing on his lower half. Another thing I didn't notice first time: Just before Joyce drives up Buffy and Spike are not walking side by side like I thought- they are turned a bit toward each otehr, eyes fixed, and keep giving each other wary looks and as Joyce comes Buffy fixes a hard glare on Spike for like fifteen seconds while Joyce runs up and starts talking.
Despite lots of jokes in fics about Spike's tight jeans, the only time I noticed his jeans being really tight was in Becoming pt 2 when he struts down the front porch of the Summer house after dusting Angelus' vamp minion, the camera focusing on his lower half. Another thing I didn't notice first time: Just before Joyce drives up Buffy and Spike are not walking side by side like I thought- they are turned a bit toward each otehr, eyes fixed, and keep giving each other wary looks and as Joyce comes Buffy fixes a hard glare on Spike for like fifteen seconds while Joyce runs up and starts talking.
I can't speak to Marsters' -ahem- region. But the reaction of the Trio when Spike threatens to behead their Star Wars toy was funnier the second time, and funnier still the third time. Those dweebs were three of our greatest unheralded American actors. Right up there with Larry, Moe and Shemp.
Those dweebs were three of our greatest unheralded American actors. Right up there with Larry, Moe and Shemp.
Totally agree - I absolutely loved them and their performances were so excellent - very talented actors - and what about that Danny Strong and "Recount" - wonderful and important film.
Don't know how the idea of "tight pants" came about - it joins the list of "illogicals" - the only way that anyone could do powerful and extreme body moves in his fighting scenes would be for said "tight jeans" to be made from spandex -
Totally agree - I absolutely loved them and their performances were so excellent - very talented actors - and what about that Danny Strong and "Recount" - wonderful and important film.
Don't know how the idea of "tight pants" came about - it joins the list of "illogicals" - the only way that anyone could do powerful and extreme body moves in his fighting scenes would be for said "tight jeans" to be made from spandex -
” Recent evolutionary models have demonstrated what politicians have long known: the best way to get people to collaborate and to think like a group is to identify an enemy and charge that “they” threaten “us.”
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
I think the conclusion of the series and what could be dreamt up afterwards has always been meant to be
Some presentation of this LAHELL would have been the next TV season - and the idea of chess or game, particularly with Angel/Angelus, is applicable. It came to me from this discussion just how much Angel/Angelus has always been pulled along his existence by guides in the pivotal circumstances of his life - Darla brings him into his vampire life, Whistler & Doyle are his "change sides" guides, Buffy is his mother/creator guide, Lilah acts like another guide into the underground/hades realms, Cordelia is very much a guide figure as well - Does Wesley take on the guide symbol now or is LAHELL his final time to be his own man?
Some presentation of this LAHELL would have been the next TV season - and the idea of chess or game, particularly with Angel/Angelus, is applicable. It came to me from this discussion just how much Angel/Angelus has always been pulled along his existence by guides in the pivotal circumstances of his life - Darla brings him into his vampire life, Whistler & Doyle are his "change sides" guides, Buffy is his mother/creator guide, Lilah acts like another guide into the underground/hades realms, Cordelia is very much a guide figure as well - Does Wesley take on the guide symbol now or is LAHELL his final time to be his own man?
” Recent evolutionary models have demonstrated what politicians have long known: the best way to get people to collaborate and to think like a group is to identify an enemy and charge that “they” threaten “us.”
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Don't know how the idea of "tight pants" came about
I'm sure this is no coincidence, but Spike's clothes definitely get tighter as the series goes on. Just check out the baggy t-shirt in "Harsh Light of Day" vs. his t-shirts in s5 and 6, culminating in the skin-tight blue shirt in "Beneath You." The pants were less prominent, but they seem to have followed the same pattern.
I'm sure this is no coincidence, but Spike's clothes definitely get tighter as the series goes on. Just check out the baggy t-shirt in "Harsh Light of Day" vs. his t-shirts in s5 and 6, culminating in the skin-tight blue shirt in "Beneath You." The pants were less prominent, but they seem to have followed the same pattern.
Writing should feel easy, like a monkey driving a speed boat.
Jun 19 2008 03:22 am #38Guest
Guest
The pants were less restrictive again in S7 onwards, but yeah. Also no longer a button-fly after a while. I think those original jeans had been washed so many times, they shrunk to be like a second skin every time he wore them. (Cracks me up how hard on jeans James is in real life. If I see him with a pair with intact knees, it's like "oh, those must be new." 
)
The shirts definitely got tighter, but I think the jeans actually had a bit more give once he started doing fight scenes. Snug in the waist, but more room in the legs, maybe.
Yeah, the Trio were hilarious, though I never liked Warren. But Danny and Tom were crack-ups.
CM
)The shirts definitely got tighter, but I think the jeans actually had a bit more give once he started doing fight scenes. Snug in the waist, but more room in the legs, maybe.
Yeah, the Trio were hilarious, though I never liked Warren. But Danny and Tom were crack-ups.
CM
Jul 08 2008 05:39 am #39goldenusagi
In Something Blue, at the end when they're all fighting demons in the crypt, Spike says to Buffy, "If they get in, I don't know if I can protect you." I heard this, of course, but I didn't think about it until recently. His first thought is of protecting her. Spike is such a good boyfriend. Er, fiance.
Er, fiance.Jul 10 2008 10:49 pm #40goldenusagi
In Pangs, after Buffy finishes tying Spike up, she runs her hand over his shoulder as she walks away.
Jul 14 2008 03:15 am #41Spikez_tart
Down you naughty girls!
When Spike and Dawn bust into the Magic Shop (Blood Ties) so Dawn can find Gile's Watcher's Diary (which IMHO wasn't big enough for two days), Spike picks up something from the counter while Dawn is searching. What did he get? (Watched several times, but my old lady eyes don't work so well.)
Also - re Buffy and Spike matching clothes in FFL, when Spike sits down next to her on the porch and pats her back, they are wearing nearly identical outfits down to their shoes. (And, Buffy must be thinking, This guy is psychotic.)
When Spike and Dawn bust into the Magic Shop (Blood Ties) so Dawn can find Gile's Watcher's Diary (which IMHO wasn't big enough for two days), Spike picks up something from the counter while Dawn is searching. What did he get? (Watched several times, but my old lady eyes don't work so well.)
Also - re Buffy and Spike matching clothes in FFL, when Spike sits down next to her on the porch and pats her back, they are wearing nearly identical outfits down to their shoes. (And, Buffy must be thinking, This guy is psychotic.)
If we want her to be exactly she'll never be exactly I know the only really real Buffy is really Buffy and she's gone' who?
Jul 14 2008 04:51 am #42Immortal Beloved
Spike picks up something from the counter while Dawn is searching. What did he get?
I'm going completely on memory here, but was it the Urn of Ishtar? I know that, the next day, Anya asks who's been using the urn as an ashtray...
I'm going completely on memory here, but was it the Urn of Ishtar? I know that, the next day, Anya asks who's been using the urn as an ashtray...
Give me Spuffy, or give me death.
Jul 14 2008 02:56 pm #43Guest
Guest
Also going from memory, but I thought it was just some crystal or something valuable that he picks up, eyes Dawn, then slips in his pocket. I always assumed he was just stealing something he could get money for.
Jul 14 2008 09:32 pm #44Scarlet Ibis
Yeah, he does steal something. He picks up the urn later to use as an ashtray. Also, depending on if you're watching the DVD or not, he tries to pick up the troll hammer to steal that too, but it's too heavy It's cut from the tv aired eps.
And love that new icon IB
It's cut from the tv aired eps.And love that new icon IB
"Just when the caterpillar thought the world was over, it became a butterfly."
https://www.facebook.com/FangirlNovel
https://www.facebook.com/FangirlNovel
Jul 15 2008 01:26 am #45Immortal Beloved
he tries to pick up the troll hammer to steal that too, but it's too heavy
Yeah, that part is funny, especially in "The Gift" when Buffy lifts it without even trying
It's cut from the tv aired eps.
Hey, there's other things we can look for: stuff cut from TV. In "Bargaining I," when Dawn takes Buffybot to school for the parent-teacher day, they stop at one of Dawn's teacher's booth. The part with him gets cut on TV. Another one is in "Crush" when Spike drinks from his flask while he and Buffy are in his car. When she says, "Eww," Spike replies, "It's not blood, it's bourbon." On TV, he just says, "It's burbon." Guess blood drinking is too sweamish for reruns
Hmm. Can't believe I noticed those things. Just when I think I can't get any more obsessed with BtVS, I find new ways
Give me Spuffy, or give me death.
Jul 15 2008 01:41 am #46Scarlet Ibis
In "Something Blue," when Buffy mentions to Giles that she thinks Willow's doing much better, they cut the part where Spike's all "Any half wit can see that she's drowning" or something along those lines, and Buffy and Giles look pretty salty when he says it. They cut out some good moments on tv. Thank goodness for DVDs
"Just when the caterpillar thought the world was over, it became a butterfly."
https://www.facebook.com/FangirlNovel
https://www.facebook.com/FangirlNovel
Jul 15 2008 05:57 am #47Guest
Guest
Also in "Something Blue" Spike's line about being unable to protect Buffy when the demons were attacking the crypt was cut. I actually noticed in the DVDs that a lot of small lines or scenes with Spike were cut. WTFs up with that? In "Once More With Feeling," the whole second verse of Spike's song was cut, though several bits of song and dance were cut from that episode, surely for length.
Coquine
Jul 15 2008 02:00 pm #48Guest
Guest
Remembered another one: In "Fool For Love" when we're seeing the flashback of Spike's first Slayer kill, maybe they showed it in the original airing, but when they showed the re-runs the scene is cut when the Chinese slayer tells Spike to tell her mother she's sorry, and Spike replies "Sorry, luv. I don't speak Chinese." Which was beyond stupid, because they come back to it later in AtS S5 "Damage" with Dana and Spike's scene in that warehouse.
Coquine
Coquine
I never watched Buffy on TV, but I would bet that all those cut bits were in the original airings, and were later trimmed for the reruns. Reruns are almost always a little bit shorter than the original airing, to allow for more commercial time. In fact, it's an issue that's been brought up in regards to Joss' new show, Dollhouse, which is being given an extra 5 minutes or so due to limited commercials. There was a concern that those extra minutes would be cut for reairings, and they'd have to lose some important things to make up that much time.
Writing should feel easy, like a monkey driving a speed boat.
Jul 16 2008 06:03 pm #50goldenusagi
Hmm, I think Xander's "It's funnier if it's true" line is cut from Crush, but don't quote me on that.
Jul 16 2008 06:40 pm #51EveryLastDrop
Spike goes into Buffy's bedroom to show her Riley is getting his blood sucked in Into the Woods. I can't remember if they cut out the great stuttering about her being 'naked under there' in her bed or not, but afterwards I know they cut out the look Buffy gives Spike so he'll turn around for her to get dressed and he scoffs, "Oh, please. Like I give a bloody damn." Then he turns around while Buffy reaches for a drawer and the look on his face-- he so gives a damn that a practically naked Buffy is just behind him!
I do remember what I said. The promise. To protect her. If I had done that... even if I didn't make it... you wouldn't have had to jump. But I want you to know that I did save you. Not when it counted, of course, but after that. Every night after that. I'd see it all again. Do something different. Faster or more clever, you know? Dozens of times, lots of different ways...
Every night I save you.
Jul 16 2008 07:10 pm #52Scarlet Ibis
In...eh, the ep where Buffy asks Spike to watch Dawn and her mom when the Council comes to town (and for the life of me, I can't recall the ep's name!!), they cut the part where Spike's all like, "What's the matter slayer? Not feeling too well?" Or, they left that part in, but cut the part when he asks her if they put a chip in her head. He looks totally adorable when he says that, and Buffy is kind of amused. It was a cute interaction.
"Just when the caterpillar thought the world was over, it became a butterfly."
https://www.facebook.com/FangirlNovel
https://www.facebook.com/FangirlNovel
Jul 17 2008 02:13 am #53Immortal Beloved
the ep where Buffy asks Spike to watch Dawn and her mom when the Council comes to town
The ep is "Checkpoint," and yeah, I love the part when he asks if they put a chip in her head: "Be funny if they did." He's so cute
The ep is "Checkpoint," and yeah, I love the part when he asks if they put a chip in her head: "Be funny if they did." He's so cute
Give me Spuffy, or give me death.
Jul 30 2008 03:02 am #54Immortal Beloved
Also going from memory, but I thought it was just some crystal or something valuable that he picks up, eyes Dawn, then slips in his pocket.
Watched the ep today. You were right: Spike picks up a crystal from the counter. He tries to steal the troll hammer, but it's too heavy. And he uses the Urn of Ishtar as an ashtray, which just so happens to be the way that Buffy figures out that Dawn was with Spike when she found out that she was the key.
:shakes head: I have watched waaaaaaaay too much BtVS...
Watched the ep today. You were right: Spike picks up a crystal from the counter. He tries to steal the troll hammer, but it's too heavy. And he uses the Urn of Ishtar as an ashtray, which just so happens to be the way that Buffy figures out that Dawn was with Spike when she found out that she was the key.
:shakes head: I have watched waaaaaaaay too much BtVS...
Give me Spuffy, or give me death.
Aug 14 2008 02:48 am #55Guest
Guest
In Pangs I just noticed when Buffy Willow and Giles are debating over what to do about Hus and being ohhhh soooo politically correct Buffy gets annoyed with Giles and says "you're why we were pilgrims in the first place" it is really quick and under her breath kinda so after the dozen or so times I know I have seen that epi this was the first time I caught that. That whole episode cracks me up from start to finish!
Aug 14 2008 03:42 pm #56Immortal Beloved
Here's one that I hadn't noticed before. In "Crush," when the Scoobies are in the Bronze at the very beginning, they actually say that Glory is Ben without knowing that they are right:
BUFFY: You know what? This is the first R-'n'-R I've had in weeks. How about we go one night without saying the name Glory.
TARA: I'm down with that. Let's just call "she who will not be named" another name. Let's just call her-
BUFFY: Ben!
Never even made the obvious connection before. The audience already knows this from the previous episode, "Blood Ties," but it was funny to see the characters say it without knowing it to be true
BUFFY: You know what? This is the first R-'n'-R I've had in weeks. How about we go one night without saying the name Glory.
TARA: I'm down with that. Let's just call "she who will not be named" another name. Let's just call her-
BUFFY: Ben!
Never even made the obvious connection before. The audience already knows this from the previous episode, "Blood Ties," but it was funny to see the characters say it without knowing it to be true
Give me Spuffy, or give me death.
Aug 15 2008 02:48 am #57Spikez_tart
I think the next time through, I'm going to count the number of times someone wears a red riding hood jacket or sweater. Buffy wears one is SB when she's feed blood to the Big Bad in the bathtub, at the Halloween party and when she's being chased by the psychotic vampire during the Cruciamentum. Willow wears one and I think Anya does, too. And, of course, Spike calls Dawn a "Little Red Riding Hood" before he escorts her to the Magic Box to steal stuff.
If we want her to be exactly she'll never be exactly I know the only really real Buffy is really Buffy and she's gone' who?
Aug 15 2008 05:39 am #58Guest
Guest
OK, this one always made me wonder - in School Hard, after Spike sets Buffy up to come out and fight one of the Anointed One's minions behind the Bronze, Xander's calling from the edge of the alley asking if they can do anything to help, and she says (with hilarious fist punctuation) "And a STAKE (punch) would be NICE! (punch)". So off he goes inside to where she left her book-bag on a table, grabs it and pulls out... a tampon! So the first time Spike ever lays eyes - or nose - on her, with that entranced / murderous? expression, while 'Stupid Thing' plays (SUCH a good song, and SUCH a good scene!), she's exuding all kindsuv aromas that might turn a highly-sexed vamp's head....
Neat! ... but durrrrdy ;-D That's just how my mind works *toes floor, eyes downcast*
yahatedparis
Neat! ... but durrrrdy ;-D That's just how my mind works *toes floor, eyes downcast*
yahatedparis
Aug 15 2008 06:42 am #59Guest
Guest
Oh, you're far from the only one to have noticed that bit of information, nothing to be ashamed of! It gives a whole new meaning to "Fee, fie, foe, fum, I smell the blood of a nice, ripe girl," though, doesn't it?
Aug 15 2008 04:32 pm #60Immortal Beloved
Totally not the first one to notice that Buffy was on her period in "School Hard." I think we discussed it on some long-forgotten thread.
Give me Spuffy, or give me death.
Aug 15 2008 11:44 pm #61Spikez_tart
We certainly did and yours truly, the Tart, was poo pooed for the idea. Yahated - look at the forum discussion on the School Hard episode for the whole tawdry tale.
If we want her to be exactly she'll never be exactly I know the only really real Buffy is really Buffy and she's gone' who?
Aug 16 2008 04:19 am #62Scarlet Ibis
Okay, I checked. And Spikez_tart, after discussion, most agreed with you. There was no poo pooing I was the one who pointed out Spike's deep inhalation before turning to look at Buffy right before he was about to head out to chase Angel. Good call--it made a very interesting thread.
I was the one who pointed out Spike's deep inhalation before turning to look at Buffy right before he was about to head out to chase Angel. Good call--it made a very interesting thread."Just when the caterpillar thought the world was over, it became a butterfly."
https://www.facebook.com/FangirlNovel
https://www.facebook.com/FangirlNovel
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I was the one who got poo pooed for suggesting that just because a woman carries a tampon, it doesn't mean she has her period. (What? I like to be prepared at all times. Nothing wrong with that!)
Writing should feel easy, like a monkey driving a speed boat.
Aug 17 2008 03:37 pm #64Guest
Guest
Women, yes. Teenage girls? Always forgetting to stash something in the bag until their period has already started. I don't see Buffy keeping count of ever 28 days and marking them on her calendar. She's totally the type to have to ask Willow, rush to the bathroom, or go ask the nurse.
CM
CM
I don't see Buffy keeping count of ever 28 days and marking them on her calendar.
That's why you carry something around all the time, so you don't have to count. I never bothered to count in high school, and after a few times getting caught without a tampon, I learned to always be prepared... But then, it probably goes without saying that I'm more responsible than Buffy, lol.
That's why you carry something around all the time, so you don't have to count.
I never bothered to count in high school, and after a few times getting caught without a tampon, I learned to always be prepared... But then, it probably goes without saying that I'm more responsible than Buffy, lol.Writing should feel easy, like a monkey driving a speed boat.
Aug 17 2008 06:24 pm #66Scarlet Ibis
Women, yes. Teenage girls? Always forgetting to stash something in the bag until their period has already started.
I'm gonna have to agree. That's why almost any female teacher in the uppergrades or high school, no matter what age she is, always keeps a stash of pads for her girls I eventually became more vigilant in keeping extras in my bag about sophmore year when I realized that almost every girl in the bathroom would never. Be. Carrying. Anything. Either that, or they adopted the "I have no square to spare" rule and just decided to be stingy. But yeah, there was always some girl in the bathroom like "do you have any extra pads?" And to anyone who knows a teenage girl, tell her it's best to go to a (female) teacher first--you can go through like five girls in your class and still come up empty handed And if you're leaking like a faucet, that's not totally not cool.
I'm gonna have to agree. That's why almost any female teacher in the uppergrades or high school, no matter what age she is, always keeps a stash of pads for her girls
I eventually became more vigilant in keeping extras in my bag about sophmore year when I realized that almost every girl in the bathroom would never. Be. Carrying. Anything. Either that, or they adopted the "I have no square to spare" rule and just decided to be stingy. But yeah, there was always some girl in the bathroom like "do you have any extra pads?" And to anyone who knows a teenage girl, tell her it's best to go to a (female) teacher first--you can go through like five girls in your class and still come up empty handed And if you're leaking like a faucet, that's not totally not cool."Just when the caterpillar thought the world was over, it became a butterfly."
https://www.facebook.com/FangirlNovel
https://www.facebook.com/FangirlNovel
Aug 17 2008 06:46 pm #67Spikez_tart
Thanks Scarlet - you had my back.
If we want her to be exactly she'll never be exactly I know the only really real Buffy is really Buffy and she's gone' who?
Aug 18 2008 02:14 am #68Immortal Beloved
But yeah, there was always some girl in the bathroom like "do you have any extra pads?"
Either it's been waaaaay too long since I was in highschool or I always carried pads and never had to bum one off anyone else because I don't remember that ever having been an issue. Maybe it's because I went to an all girls school, and that would definitely double the number of people packing. Or it could just be so long ago that I don't remember
However, nowadays, I do have to go around the office to find someone with a tampon, even though I generally keep a stash in my desk. Luckily, half of us have our periods at the same time. We've suggested that, perhaps, the office should shut down for that week every month, but no one's put any new policies into action
ETA: Crap. Forgot to comment on the Buffy having her period debate. Although we can't know for sure that Buffy had her period during "School Hard," I think it's a safe assumption. Xander pulling the tampon out of her purse in lieu of a stake was obviously for comedic value, but the implication is that she has her period. Yes, she could have had it for just-in-case situation, but I don't think it's too far fetched to conclude menstruation.
Either it's been waaaaay too long since I was in highschool or I always carried pads and never had to bum one off anyone else because I don't remember that ever having been an issue. Maybe it's because I went to an all girls school, and that would definitely double the number of people packing. Or it could just be so long ago that I don't remember
However, nowadays, I do have to go around the office to find someone with a tampon, even though I generally keep a stash in my desk. Luckily, half of us have our periods at the same time. We've suggested that, perhaps, the office should shut down for that week every month, but no one's put any new policies into action
ETA: Crap. Forgot to comment on the Buffy having her period debate. Although we can't know for sure that Buffy had her period during "School Hard," I think it's a safe assumption. Xander pulling the tampon out of her purse in lieu of a stake was obviously for comedic value, but the implication is that she has her period. Yes, she could have had it for just-in-case situation, but I don't think it's too far fetched to conclude menstruation.
Give me Spuffy, or give me death.
Sep 28 2008 10:16 pm #69ghost writer
I was just watching The Wish and it got to the part when Anya got to talking to Cordelia alone and I happened to glance behind them. There's a red headed extra just standing there, like she's talking to someone but no body's there then when Cordy and Anya start to walk away the extra starts walking too. Kinda funny.
~Ghost Writer
~Ghost Writer
Sep 29 2008 12:58 am #70Spikez_tart
The DVD versions have cuts too. When I first saw As you Were (on DVD from the library, an older version I guess) - Buffy tells Spike "I can't love you now." In the DVD set I have now, the "now" is cut out. Lame.
If we want her to be exactly she'll never be exactly I know the only really real Buffy is really Buffy and she's gone' who?
Sep 29 2008 10:18 am #71Guest
Guest
It ends up matching the original airing that way, as she just said "I can't love you".
CM
CM
:-P
:love
:wah:
:(
:drugs:
:um:
:getwriting:
:tsk:
:buhbye:
:coffeelove:
:eatme:
:smooch:
:kiss:
:heartfic:
:shrug:
:sigh:
:drink:
:goodevil:
:what:
:evil:
:hyper:
:lol:
:reading:
:readporn:
:up:
:hand:
:down:
:hurl:
:wave:
:vampire:
:moon:
:D
:boohoo:
:tongue:
:shake:
:lurk:
:happy:
:announce:
:stupid:
:grr:
:)
:wazzup:
:right:
:insane:
:crap:
:poke:
:stalker:
:taped:
:grrarg:
:throughpc:
:fic:
:halo:
:help:
:clap:
:eyebrows:
:bday:
:dance:
:needsmut:
:lash:
:neener:
:bow:
:wall:
:spank:
:butthead:
:hair:
:suck:
:get:
:spuffy:
:soon:
:vamps:
;-)
;)
:-(
:P
:O
:-O
:-D
:blush:
:-)
:cheer:
:sleep:
:pigsfly: