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Who do you love- Spike or Buffy?<i/>Who do you love? <i/>
But when it comes to fights and such, I generally think Spike is right, even if he fails at making a successful argument.
I've never really felt much for Buffy. She's too polished and vain. (I mean in that she cares how people perceive her and therefore hides her feelings. Not in the way she dresses... although I'll never know how she can fight in heels.) I really only feel for her when she opens up and is vulnerable, which isn't too often. I almost always like her more at the end of seasons than the beginning or middle. But I also think she's more of a realistic character that way, especially considering her age. I think you have to be over 100 to finally stop giving a damn what the world wants of you.
Ironically, as far as characters I love, realistically speaking, I'd probably go for Xander or Oz. But Spike remains my favorite for look and relatability.
From these two, Spike by far the favorite character. Buffy, IMO, is too harsh and very often narrow minded in her perceptions. Buffy comes across as self centered, as if the consequences of actions as they relate to her are what matter first. When Buffy is being the great self sacrificing hero warrior, she can be magnificent and beautiful, but so many times, Buffy in the everyday world is a plain Bitch.
Spike, has his own horrible traits, he can be selfish and demanding as well - but generally I find him to be very clever (before the decided to go with the dumbing down treatment) and much more knowledgeable about how things really work in the world - not committed to narrow world views or the dogmatic adherence to ideas, better able to see the gray shades between the black and white end points. Spike, like Buffy, when he takes on the role of selfless warrior and protector is magnificent as well.
Spike will always be my favorite character, because for me he is the prime metaphor of humans struggling to pull from themselves their best and most positive life forces - not to let the inner demons control their life. That is why I will always be hoping for the best things from him and for him - because Spike for me is my idea of Humanity moving beyond all the hatreds and stupidity and ignorance that normally sets the rules and dynamics for life on this planet - actually, that is what The Soul in The Buffyverse means to me as well.
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
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He's just more adorable
Seriously, I find Spike more interesting and enjoyable to watch on TV than Buffy- as well as to read in fanfic. It doesn't mean I hate Buffy. I LOVE her, she's my favorite female character, but Spike is ahead of her in my list of fave characters.
Ooooh I loved Spike on AtS
To be honest, I liked him more when he wasn't around Buffy. It hurts me to see him being so whipped. When he's by himself, he gets to be more confident and entertaining. That's why it took me a long time to become a Spuffy, Spike's interactions with other characters win me more than his with Buffy... until I started reading Spuffy fanfic. And rewatching the show. It does help reshape your thoughts.
I agree about Buffy, Tammy. She's an amazing character, so many layers, so many flaws, lots of heart and courage. A mix of good and bad qualities. And best of all, she's such a forgiving characters. I love her.
I thought it was extremely interesting to see how he snapped back to being overly confident (to the point of obnoxiousness) and selfish as soon as he was removed from Buffy in Angel season 5. It makes you wonder if he really likes being in love because, as he stated in Buffy season 3, he know's he's love's bitch when he's around her.
I'm a huge fan of those daring to show their hearts, so even though I loved Spike as a villain, my favorite character was Buffy for the first couple seasons, because she was so real and emotional and brave in how she loved. Later, though, Buffy seemed to lose a lot of her individual bravery about everything in life, not Slaying, and Spike became my favorite character of the two of them again. I admit that I loved his Love's Bitch speech and how often he seemed to prove it, and then how he moved beyond it. Spike has so much feeling about everything and has so many different facets to his personality. I was a little thrown when he popped out of the amulet in AtS and seemed like a huge difference in his character had come about, like all the new pessimism and quiet uncaring sarcasm. But then he had some really wonderful scenes, as if he'd finally reached who he could be, and some really funny scenes that were classically Spike's humor. I don't think there's a time I didn't love Spike's character, but it took until the later seasons for him to pull ahead of Buffy for me, and part of that was about how Buffy changed.
I do remember what I said. The promise. To protect her. If I had done that... even if I didn't make it... you wouldn't have had to jump. But I want you to know that I did save you. Not when it counted, of course, but after that. Every night after that. I'd see it all again. Do something different. Faster or more clever, you know? Dozens of times, lots of different ways...
Every night I save you.
What I really like -and is somewhat sad- about Spike is his ability to love. No matter who he was or what he was doing he loved greatly, even if he never fully got that love in return, even if they treated him horribly. Sure, he's a vampire, but I think his true strenght -and weakness- is his ability to love without question and keep putting himself out there no matter how many times he gets knocked down -until he showed up on Angel that is
And when it comes to Spike vs Buffy, I tend to side with Spike, not because he's so perty, but because he at least admits his mistakes, makes up for them. When it came to their relationship I think Spike getting his soul showed how sorry he was for the wrong he'd done. However, though Buffy allowed him back into her house and cared for him, I always felt it was shown as how forgiving she could be, rather than her actually having some wrong to admit to, and make up for.
I'm actually someone that doesn't care for evil Spike
Oh, me too. I like Spike the second he got chipped, he was so much fun around the Scoobies in S4 especially Xander and Giles. My OTT (One True Threesome
) Xander/Spike/Giles.... siiiiiiigh
. Spike is amazing too, and definitively my second most lovable character, but i hate evil Spike so he`s not number one
.Curious - why would the Bangel relationship exclude Spuffy? they are such a different relationship - Bangel would certainly effect any Spuffy relationship but I don't see why it would make the Buffy-Spike relationship difficult to accept -
What changes in Spike made you accept that this would be a good relationship or maybe just an acceptable one. At the end, their relationship does work ;perhaps best as the force that pushes them on their personal journeys of transformation.
What did you find in the Angel-Buffy relationship that committed you to their being together? How was it different for Buffy-Spike?
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
But, for what it's worth, when I write, I'm much more in Buffy's head than Spike's.
As a writer, between the two of them, it's easier to get into Spike's head. In fact, sometimes it's like he's in mine, lol. Of all the characters, Spike is the easiest voice for me to write.
Of the arguments on the series between Spike and Buffy, for the most part I'd have to say I'd side with Spike. He's just more logical. "Pangs" comes to mind.
I wouldn't say "unconditional" support, cause that sounds like something only a mother could have, and also, there have been times when Spike's pissed me off, but between the two, Spike has my support because of his vulnerability. He's emotionally available, and quite easy to be emotionally damaged. After season two, it's just a gradual downward spiral of Buffy becoming emotionally closed off. I just can't warm up to and empathize with stone.
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I love Spike, but I love him more as Spike actively connecting and transforming from his experience with Buffy - and the same for Buffy. It's difficult for me not to see her as a failed hero, but then she too is transformed by Season Seven into a much greater woman as is Spike.
I like Spike no. 1 - I like Buffy no 2 but I LOVE SPIKE-BUFFY reflecting and transforming each other A++++
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