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Jun 18 2007 09:33 pm   #1Guest

I read somwhere that David Boreaneaz (sp?) said that he didn't want Buffy and Angel to end up together. I was just wondering what the writers and actors/actresses said about the Spuffy relationship.

Jun 18 2007 09:40 pm   #2Scarlet Ibis

I heard James say somewhere that he would've liked it if Spike could've given Buffy a garden- something alive and requiring sunlight, or something like that.  Something unlike himself... And though he was a monster, he was still her monster, and would've done anything for her.

"Just when the caterpillar thought the world was over, it became a butterfly."
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Jun 18 2007 11:47 pm   #3Eowyn315

James has said plenty of times that he thinks the last episode of Buffy shows pretty well that Buffy really loved Angel, and not Spike. And he thought that was really for the best, because the Spuffy relationship was unhealthy, and she didn't love him at all, she just used him.

He's also said that he was sort of uncomfortable with being the "bad boy" boyfriend because he didn't want girls to think it was attractive to have a guy who abuses them and is mean to them. But that was a whole character issue, I think, not just a Spuffy thing, being uncomfortable with all the girls who have crushes on Spike when he's evil.

Writing should feel easy, like a monkey driving a speed boat.
Jun 19 2007 02:00 am   #4slaymesoftly

Yep - James is pretty clear when asked that he feels that Spike was not good for Buffy - his reason being that he doesn't want to encourage girls or women to want to be with "bad boys" or men who would mistreat them.  I think it is more a reflection of his own desire to keep his fans safe than it is a real slam against Spike and Buffy. It was, after all, outside of fanfic, a very disfunctional relationship and full of violence. Not really one anyone should wish to have.  He has no problem with Spike's loving Buffy and wanting to do things for her.  I think the way that so many fans have fallen for the evil Spike of early seasons caught everyone by surprise, including him. And I'm sure the overwhelming support for the idea of the two of them ending up together probably makes the BtVS writers' skins crawl. LOL

I am not a minion of Evil...
I am upper management.
Jun 19 2007 03:52 am   #5Guest

It was James' idea for Spike to fall for Buffy - he put that bug in Joss' ear because he wanted Spike to have a reason to do good besides the chip. He thought, though, that Buffy would never reciprocate, never give Spike the time of day, so they surprised him with that one.

Yeah, it is more about keeping the fans safe, especially all those young girls. It's sweet that he worries, though I think most of us can separate fantasy from reality when it comes to Spike and bad boys.

It's been a while since he was asked if Buffy could love souled Spike, so he could have a new answer on that one....

CM

Jun 19 2007 03:54 am   #6Guest

Oh, and the part he was uncomfortable with wasn't being a "bad boy", but the "bad boy that's mean to everyone BUT his girl". James doesn't think that's realistic. And he's probably right.

Jun 19 2007 04:30 am   #7Guest

I read in a teen magazine that Sarah Michelle Gellar in 2000, said that her fantasy guy for a new romance for Buffy was Spike.

Jun 19 2007 05:13 am   #8Eowyn315

It's kind of ironic that James has such concerns about fans falling for evil Spike... when it's his portrayal that makes them love him so much! He's said that, even when the writers kept trying to make him evil, he kept trying to balance by playing him "soulful" even before the soul. If he hadn't been so good at it, we'd probably like him a lot less. :)

And yeah, CM, it was James' idea... the story behind it is kind of hilarious... he "planted the seed" with Joss by insinuating that *he* had a crush on Sarah... and of course, Joss told Sarah, and James was pretty embarrassed. Supposedly, that's how all those "James had a crush on Sarah" rumors got started... though I wouldn't be surprised if there was a bit of truth to them anyway...

Writing should feel easy, like a monkey driving a speed boat.
Jun 19 2007 07:34 am   #9Scarlet Ibis

Crush on her?  Really?  Never heard that one.  When I hear about there off set relationship, it started with SMG confronting him with how she wasn't too social with cast members, and for him not to expect to get anywhere with her relationship wise or something like that.  Oh, and he always refers to her as like his sister... meh.

"Just when the caterpillar thought the world was over, it became a butterfly."
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Jun 19 2007 07:38 am   #10Caro Mio

He said a long time ago that he briefly considered asking her out, when he was single at the time, but she was already hooked up with someone......and it was for the best since dating coworkers often doesn't end well. That was the only real mention of it. 

Yep, spend enough time with a group of people, and they become family...she was in the sister zone for him by the time season 6 came along.

What If I'm Not the Slayer? now updated with chapters 22 and 23.
Jun 19 2007 08:32 am   #11Scarlet Ibis

Now that I think about it, it's not exactly surprising.  He was terribly impressed by her passion of acting and her professionalism of it all, yada, yada, yada, and that probably sparked the interest or something.

"Just when the caterpillar thought the world was over, it became a butterfly."
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Jun 19 2007 01:01 pm   #12slaymesoftly

Ok, so if we a chance to ask some questions at the Q & A next week, do I ask if he thinks Buffy loved souled Spike?  Has he changed his mind about whether or not Spike deserved her love? What else?

I am not a minion of Evil...
I am upper management.
Jun 19 2007 01:22 pm   #13Guest

You're going to Fangoria? (hate you now...kidding..) You'll get to ask a question if you go up to do it.

Yeah, asking if Buffy loved/could love *souled* Spike would be a good one, as he tends to think of *unsouled* Spike first.

If he doesn't think that Spike deserves her love, then what could Spike do to change that?

Caro Mio

I wanna go!

Jun 19 2007 02:55 pm   #14Guest

slaymesoftly, you could ask, but are you going to be put off is he says no, and *shudders* she loves Angel more?

Jun 20 2007 12:26 am   #15slaymesoftly

Well, I think it's a legitimate question (especially compared to some of the things people ask) The main thing that would make me hesitate is that he seems more interested now in talking about himself and knowing that the fans are there to see him, as opposed to hoping he will be Spike; and I would hate to make him hate my question because it was about a show that ended years ago.  I don't think he would be rude (I'm sure he knows on which side his bread is buttered), but I worry that he wouldn't welcome it.  I did ask a question about the show (or his relationship with the other cast and crew members) in Sacremento and he gave me a very thoughtful answer - but not one that indicated he was happy to talk about them.  I do have another question in mind anyway (more playful and potentially embarrassing for him. lol), if I actually think I'll get a chance to ask one.

I am not a minion of Evil...
I am upper management.
Jun 20 2007 12:49 am   #16Immortal Beloved

Squee!  I'm going next week, too!  Can't think of a single thing to ask, though.   Nothing more serious than "Cat person or dog person?" as least :-P 
But if someone asks if he thinks that Buffy loved souled Spike, I'll know it's you :-)

Give me Spuffy, or give me death.
Jun 20 2007 12:50 am   #17Jenna

Is boxers or briefs too personal??? LOL :)

Spike: You're the one, Buffy

Buffy: I don't want to be the one.

Spike: I don't want to be this good looking and athletic. We all have crosses to bear.
Jun 20 2007 01:15 am   #18Immortal Beloved

Oooo, that's a good one, Jenna!  Personally, I like boxer-briefs :-) :pictures him in boxer briefs: Mmmm... :drools like Homer eating a doughnut:

Give me Spuffy, or give me death.
Jun 20 2007 01:17 am   #19Scarlet Ibis

First, hate everyone that's going cause I can't. Okay, not "hate," but gosh am I depressed :(

Just check his websites online Q & A and make sure you don't repeat questions!!

"Just when the caterpillar thought the world was over, it became a butterfly."
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Jun 20 2007 01:20 am   #20Eowyn315

He's already answered the boxers/briefs question... It's neither. 

Writing should feel easy, like a monkey driving a speed boat.
Jun 20 2007 01:22 am   #21Jenna

Neither?????? OOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHH Yummy Yummy in Jenna's tummy!!! :)

Spike: You're the one, Buffy

Buffy: I don't want to be the one.

Spike: I don't want to be this good looking and athletic. We all have crosses to bear.
Jun 20 2007 04:32 am   #22Caro Mio

Yep, he goes commando.

Slayme - He's not going to mind too much if you ask about Spike, especially if it's not one of the questions he gets asked *every time*. (Which it isn't.) I'm really hoping someone doesn't ask about SR *again*. 

If you have the internet to buy tickets, then you should use the internet to look up common answers! Take a moment to think, and wonder how *you'd* feel filming an attempted rape scene! (Sorry for the rant, it just gets me that these people show up with the same exact question at practically every con, when that question/topic is still really painful for James!)

Ahem, anyway - check the FAQ at his site, and look for Bookworm's database of answers. She's sorted practically every public word of the man into subjects. Don't know when the last update was, but it's a great resource.

What If I'm Not the Slayer? now updated with chapters 22 and 23.
Oct 01 2007 03:00 pm   #23Guest

 

"In a lot of ways, Buffy's relationship with Spike is the most normal relationship she has ever had. There are no secrets between them. When she first met Angel, he kept his vampire identity a secret. And it wasn't until it was too late that she found out all the details of the spell. Parker posed as a nice guy, but was just looking for another notch on his bed post. Riley turned out to be part of an experiment and half brother to a cyborg monster. Each of these lovers turned into something Buffy definitely did not want. But Spike is what he appears to be. Buffy knows all his failings and if he has any surprises, they are positive ones. It's interesting that this is the hardest relationship for Buffy to commit to while at the same time being the most honest and open of her relationships (she deceives her friends, but she and Spike do not deceive each other)."

"Spike has earned Buffy's love in ways Angel couldn't contemplate. - Hercules T. Strong (Ain't It Cool News writer)

Oct 01 2007 03:05 pm   #24Scarlet Ibis

 If you could say one thing to Spike, give him a piece of advice, and/or converse with him about anything... what would you choose and why?

Get over Buffy - you deserve better! (laughs)

~James Marsters

"Just when the caterpillar thought the world was over, it became a butterfly."
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Oct 01 2007 03:38 pm   #25Enisy

How did James go from "Spike is totally beneath Buffy" to "Spike deserves better than Buffy"? Geez. He changes opinion every week.


Oct 01 2007 05:22 pm   #26Scarlet Ibis

I'm thinking perspective.  He's had time to pull back from the character, and at the time of saying Spike was beneath Buffy, he was probably thinking from Spike's POV, being a method actor and all.  Now that he's had time to be free of the character mentally and emotionally (remember how long it took Jim Carey to rid himself of his Andy Kaufman persona?  Method acting immerses you in the character), he can answer the question from his POV alone.

"Just when the caterpillar thought the world was over, it became a butterfly."
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Oct 01 2007 05:48 pm   #27Guest

"The thing about Spike and Buffy is they understand each other on a level that nobody else understand her. They've both lived a hundred lives and I think there's a connection there that we will see evolve over the next  couple of years where she realizes that he really is someone that she can trust, someone that's a companion to her and someone that really understands her unlike anybody else." -Sarah Michelle Gellar.

Oct 01 2007 05:54 pm   #28Enisy

Either that, or his fangirls have managed to convince him that he's God's gift to humanity.

I don't think it's just a case of "pulling back from the role", because he really is flighty about his opinions. April 2003 he says the best girlfriend for Spike is "definitely Buffy", two months later he says "Dru!" Other times he seems to struggle between what he really thinks, what's politically correct and what he believes the writers wanted to convey, so his answers are a jumble.


Oct 01 2007 06:01 pm   #29Scarlet Ibis

Is there really such a thing as being PC when it's about fictional characters?  Seriously...

At any rate, I'm taking his latest assesment at face value.  He doesn't have anyone to please or piss off at this point who might've disagreed (perhaps vehemently so) at this particular POV, except for maybe viewers or fans.  Who knows, maybe he felt that way for awhile, maybe not.  But it's how he feels about it now.

"Just when the caterpillar thought the world was over, it became a butterfly."
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Oct 07 2007 10:04 pm   #30Guest

 "In what was evidently one of the great botched metaphors in the history of storytelling, Buffy and Spike consummate their relationship and demolish a derelict mansion in their throes. Houses are a common symbol for people in stories…and this one seems to clearly represent Buffy’s once rich but now derelict past life. She has died in one life and been resurrected into a new one, but she’s clinging to the past, living in the decaying shell of her former existence, an old life that must be rejected before she can live fully in the new world. When she embraces Spike, she embraces the dark side of her destiny, an adult rejection of the simplistic good/evil universe of her childhood, freeing herself to move into the future…Their consummation takes them to the deepest levels, both symbolically and literally as they fall into the basement, and leaves Buffy standing in a shaft of light in the morning, reborn. As metaphoric scenes go, it’s one of the most powerful in the history of the series. Except that’s evidently not what the writers had in mind, since they insisted in interviews that the wreck symbolized the relationship as a bad choice." ~Jennifer Crusie, "Dating Death," excerpted from Seven Seasons of Buffy 

I read this quote in a really good fic I was reading and was wondering if anyone has the whole essay that the excerpt is from?

Oct 07 2007 10:08 pm   #31Enisy

 http://www.jennycrusie.com/essays/datingdeath.php

Loved that essay, too.


Oct 07 2007 11:10 pm   #32Guest

That was a great essay, and it seemed to be written unbiasedly, which is a good thing is essay writing. Are there anymore good ones in that book?

Oct 07 2007 11:18 pm   #33Eowyn315

As metaphoric scenes go, it’s one of the most powerful in the history of the series. Except that’s evidently not what the writers had in mind, since they insisted in interviews that the wreck symbolized the relationship as a bad choice.

See, this is why I tend not to delve too much into the deeper meanings and symbolisms people claim are present. Sure, sometimes they're intentional, but often I think it's just people reading into the story a subtext that isn't meant to be there. And while it can be interesting when it works, it doesn't really make the show more intelligent, it just makes the writers lucky.

Writing should feel easy, like a monkey driving a speed boat.
Oct 08 2007 01:00 am   #34Scarlet Ibis

"...Wrecked symbolizes the relationship as a bad choice."

That is just utterly ridiculous of those writers, considering it was Buffy who started it.  Or what about the reversal the morning after, where Buffy is the Queen of assland instead of the guy, which is usually the typical situation for her.  The guy's a dick, or simply isn't there at all (excluding Riley, of course.  And yet, I still barfed a bit in my mouth at the thought....), but here, we get Buffy taking on that role, referring to the whole thing as a freak show, in a hurry to leave, and only opts to stay after a lame excuse of "the sun's up," which makes it seems like she's only there for the hot spex....um, yeah.

"Just when the caterpillar thought the world was over, it became a butterfly."
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Oct 09 2007 04:43 am   #35Guest

See, this is why I tend not to delve too much into the deeper meanings and symbolisms people claim are present. Sure, sometimes they're intentional, but often I think it's just people reading into the story a subtext that isn't meant to be there. And while it can be interesting when it works, it doesn't really make the show more intelligent, it just makes the writers lucky. 

Pretty much all writing is luck, then. Writers do not write the effect of the story, but the story itself. Dostoevsky certainly didn't go into Crime and Punishment thinking redemption redemption redemption, but actually crime and the guilt that follows a crime. Writers are not always conscious of what they are doing (in fact, with effect, very little of the time), and Spuffy is pretty much living proof that sometimes the best things are done unconscious to the mind.

Oct 09 2007 07:44 pm   #36Eowyn315

Pretty much all writing is luck, then.

Not necessarily. Writers can definitely have intentional themes or deeper meanings in their writing. Sticking with Buffy, Joss obviously uses symbolism and themes - the whole concept of high school being hell and vampires/demons being metaphors for everyday life problems illustrates that. But the part that is luck is when the story plays out in such a way that the reader/viewer can read things into it that weren't intended.

Writing should feel easy, like a monkey driving a speed boat.
Oct 10 2007 04:15 pm   #37Guest
He said a long time ago that he briefly considered asking her out, when he was single at the time, but she was already hooked up with someone......and it was for the best since dating coworkers often doesn't end well. That was the only real mention of it.

Just noticed this bit a little higher up this tag as I was reading through it...and can I just say that from a psychological standpoint, typically guys feel the need to try to mask their true emotions, for fear of being vulnerable. (Duh.) A guy will almost never admit, until well after the fact when the feelings have faded, "Yes, I had a crush on her."

If a guy says, "I thought about asking her out briefly" he most likely had stronger feelings than that, but doesn't want to admit it. He most likely had a crush on her.

If it was a fleeting thought like he makes it sound in this quote, he probably wouldn't have even brought it up. :P

DoS

Oct 11 2007 11:26 am   #38Caro Mio

You really can't take James' comments about Spike during the show and playing the character in the same context as now, 3 years later. 1) his opinion has had time to evolve to a more external perspective, instead of internal. 2) He doesn't have to stick to anything a boss might have told him at the time anymore. 3) He's not in Method, in Spike's head anymore. And delving down deep for the end of S6/beginning of S7 put a lot of James in Spike. They weren't inseparable until he decided to quit doing it Method for his own health. Spike didn't think of himself as much, so James didn't think Spike was worthy, either. He's had time to think of Spike more as the guy who chose to be a hero because HE wanted to, now that the show is over.

And like Buffy or not, she's not the easiest for *anyone* to be in a relationship with. She's got issues a *mile* long that any guy would run away from, and with good reason. I know I wouldn't advocate one of my guy friends sticking with a girl like that that's only barely starting to grow up. Until you can be content with yourself, you're really not ready to give yourself to someone else.

So, yeah, telling Spike he deserves better? Not out of the realm of logic. It's just evolution of thought, not being wishy-washy.

What If I'm Not the Slayer? now updated with chapters 22 and 23.
Nov 27 2007 10:16 pm   #39Guest

Does anyone know where Joss said that Spike and Angel were the two most important men in Buffy's life?

Nov 27 2007 11:01 pm   #40Guest

I just read through this thread again, the people who went to the Con.

What happend to the questions you were gonna ask and did any of you ask the " would buffy did/could love souled spike?" question?

Nov 27 2007 11:03 pm   #41JoJoBird

Sorry that was me

Nov 27 2007 11:48 pm   #42slaymesoftly

Sorry, JoJo - I forget why I didn't, but I didn't ask any questions.  I think it was because very little of what was being asked had anything to do with the show, it was more about James than Spike and he seemed to be enjoying that.  But I really don't remember, I just remember that standing up and asking a question didn't seem to be all that important anymore.

It's possible that I completely forgot what I'd promised to ask, too. LOL I just reread the above discussion and went "Did I say that? What was I thinking?" I tend to go brain dead and mute when in the presence of James, so....

I am not a minion of Evil...
I am upper management.
Jan 17 2008 04:56 pm   #43Guest
Does anyone know an article where JM said "Spike and Angel? Hell yeah, lots of times."
Jan 17 2008 05:51 pm   #44nmcil
as a actor, and with his new work on Torchwood and his new film, sorry can't remember the title; Dragonball I think, he would probably appreciate and be interested in a question regarding his study and use of body language.  One of the major reason that we did fall in love and respect his Spike interpretation was his fantastic use of facial expressions and all the other physical expressions he gave Spike.  Just look at AYW and Chosen - also I recommend The Yoko Factor for his Spike in dry humor mode.  If you go with a question that combines body language in his parts I think he would appreciate that question - Artists always feel good when their viewers or readers ask about their craft and a specific question gives them something to focus their answer on -

Hope you gave a great time - I love the Fangoria Magazine - hope the weather works out -  and if you take a photo, think of us right there with you-
” Recent evolutionary models have demonstrated what politicians have long known: the best way to get people to collaborate and to think like a group is to identify an enemy and charge that “they” threaten “us.”

Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Jan 17 2008 06:44 pm   #45nmcil

"Pretty much all writing is luck, then.

Not necessarily. Writers can definitely have intentional themes or deeper meanings in their writing. Sticking with Buffy, Joss obviously uses symbolism and themes - the whole concept of high school being hell and vampires/demons being metaphors for everyday life problems illustrates that. But the part that is luck is when the story plays out in such a way that the reader/viewer can read things into it that weren't intended."

I am definitely on the side of Buffy being steeped in symbolism, metaphors and mythic concepts - particularly the work of Joseph Campbell and C.G. Jung.  Of course both Buffy and Angel work as strict dramatic story telling but they are also layered with a great depth of meaning beyond just the immediate on screen story.  Someone correct me if I am wrong, but did not Joss Whedon state that he admires and did structure some of his work with the Buffyverse on the concepts of Joseph Campbell?  I am fairly certain that he did.  Even if the writers did not specifically intend mythic symbolism and metaphor, I do think that it exist in the works.  Sometimes artists and writers are working from very deep places and they are not even aware of how that is reflected in their work.  And, as a visual artist I am deliberate on what my brush strokes and lines are saying, and I know that writers work the same.  All of you know how much you work over your use of words.  

How do the writers and creators explain or interpret  their heroic couple intertwined their hands without having thought about the meaning. You don't use a visual where the amulet is passed from one hand to another without thinking what that suggests - you don't write that Spike's soul "...stings a little" without consideration for what it says about the connection between the character and his en-souled state and then have that same soul power the complete downfall of the Hellmouth.  I think the writers and art directors created a work that was better than they realized.   I also think that the actors were so excellent, especially James Marsters with Spike, that all the elements combined to create these wonderful and powerful series.

The essay is excellent - and thanks for posting the link, I have read it before, great to have the link.
 

” Recent evolutionary models have demonstrated what politicians have long known: the best way to get people to collaborate and to think like a group is to identify an enemy and charge that “they” threaten “us.”

Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Jan 17 2008 08:06 pm   #46Nika
What do you think Buffy and Spike did that last night together?
I think Buffy tried to sleep with Spike but Spike wouldn't have her. He really didn't trust her. He said they should just be friends. (laughs!) -James Marsters, Q & A
"Perhaps a great love is never returned."

-Dag Hammersjold
Feb 22 2008 01:09 am   #47Guest

"If someone is there for you, is asking nothing of you and has loved you faithfully and unconditionally for all those years and if that person is the one that you turn to for comfort and support when you are at your most vulnerable, and if they give you that comfort and support unconditionally asking nothing in return, then whether you acknowledge it or not, that is love, so yes Buffy loved Spike."
(Jane Espenson?)

Feb 22 2008 01:37 am   #48Scarlet Ibis
"...and if that person is the one that you turn to for comfort and support when you are at your most vulnerable, and if they give you that comfort and support unconditionally asking nothing in return..."

Um...that's not necessarily true.  One could just take it cause it's there.
"Just when the caterpillar thought the world was over, it became a butterfly."
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Feb 22 2008 04:18 pm   #49Guest
Yeah, I think that's reversed - Spike loved Buffy. It doesn't work in the reverse, does it?

CM
Feb 22 2008 05:23 pm   #50nmcil

Hasn't Joss Whedon already answered this Buffy and Spike love question with a yes she did love him? 

With the great opportunity to ask JM a question - you should ask something that has not been asked so many times before - excellent suggestion that people look at the FAQ lists -

I say again, that I am sure what he response best to are interesting questions about the process of his work - Don't know if he has been asked about his ideas of evil and quest for power with the new film he is playing -  have your thoughtful question ready to look at just before your turn comes up - help with the nerves.

I am sure that he must be so tired of the Buffy-Spike-Angel-LOVE question - Plus I really think that it was left open so that all the viewers could make their own conclusions -
Frankly, anyone that thinks the Buffy-Angel-Love-Forever, saw the relationship with a limited perspective, as we all know, that was a relationship with layers upon layers upon layers -

” Recent evolutionary models have demonstrated what politicians have long known: the best way to get people to collaborate and to think like a group is to identify an enemy and charge that “they” threaten “us.”

Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Feb 22 2008 05:30 pm   #51nmcil
http://www.jennycrusie.com/essays/datingdeath.php

Loved that essay, too.

I know that parts of this esay  appearred on a fan fiction website - I have been trying to remember, even checked out some site, but I just can't remember the ff author that is associated with it.  Does anyone have information about where this appears outside of the book?  by the way, I recommend the book,  like it very much, very useful.

Would appreciate any info regarding the botched metaphor quote -
 

” Recent evolutionary models have demonstrated what politicians have long known: the best way to get people to collaborate and to think like a group is to identify an enemy and charge that “they” threaten “us.”

Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Feb 23 2008 11:30 pm   #52Enisy
Lots of Spuffy quotage here, if anyone's interested: http://sublime.youkai.de/spuffy.html

Anyone have that quote Caro Mio mentioned?

He said a long time ago that he briefly considered asking her out, when he was single at the time, but she was already hooked up with someone......and it was for the best since dating coworkers often doesn't end well. That was the only real mention of it.



Feb 24 2008 01:01 am   #53Nika

Wow that was a lot of quotes. Great site.

"Perhaps a great love is never returned."

-Dag Hammersjold
Feb 24 2008 01:51 am   #54Nika
Nmcil, parts of that essay were used in association with a fic enigmaticblue wrote if that's what you meant.
"Perhaps a great love is never returned."

-Dag Hammersjold
Feb 24 2008 02:46 am   #55Enisy
Wow that was a lot of quotes. Great site.

Thankee. If I've missed anything, just post it here and I'll add it. :)

Feb 24 2008 04:46 am   #56Eowyn315
No idea about Caro's quote, but I found the con report where he talks about Joss telling Sarah that James had a crush on her.
Writing should feel easy, like a monkey driving a speed boat.
Feb 24 2008 04:12 pm   #57Guest
OK, so a while ago I was reading the forum at BSV and found a site that listed all the characters' various nicknames and who said them and what episode, among a bunch of other info on buffy stuff. The site had a dark layout and I think purple letters. I can't remember which forum thread it was in or what the site was, so if anybody recognizes it could they tell me? Pleeze?
Feb 24 2008 06:29 pm   #58Enisy
http://vrya.net/bdb/aka.php?char=1

Feb 26 2008 11:11 am   #59nmcil
Nmcil, parts of that essay were used in association with a fic enigmaticblue wrote if that's what you meant.

Thanks nika - Hope that it will be listed on her site - was just driving me nutty trying to remember where I had seen it.  I love her work.
” Recent evolutionary models have demonstrated what politicians have long known: the best way to get people to collaborate and to think like a group is to identify an enemy and charge that “they” threaten “us.”

Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Feb 26 2008 10:51 pm   #60Guest
Enigmaticblue wrote so many fics, does anyone know the particular title or any information that means I could find the specific story?
Feb 28 2008 09:28 am   #61Legen

I don't mean to butt into a convo that has been going on for a while. But after reading this thread I could really only think of one thing. There is a lot of debate because Mr. Marsters seems to change what he says all the time, and that ruffles some feathers. The only thing I could think was that boys are not that much different from girls, and tend to change there minds just as much, if not more on some subjects. Id have to agree with the people that stated that once he was on the out side looking in his view might have changed simply because he was seeing from a new angle. And to that Id like to add that even experiences in his own life may change his views from one day to the next.
Thats all I got.

Your heart will break, your tears will fall, but don't be suprised, if there is someone there, to catch you when you fall. Becuase you, yes you, are awesome.
Feb 28 2008 04:58 pm   #62Guest
A Bangel fan posted a quote from SMG saying that she thinks Spuffy was just good sex and that Buffy will always love Angel on a site I was on. Has anyone ever seen that quote before?
Mar 02 2008 06:26 pm   #63Enisy
This 'un:

DreamWatch: Do you think Buffy loves Spike or is it just good sex?
Sarah Michelle Gellar: I think it's 20-something really good sex! I think Buffy was greatly in love with Angel. It will always be Angel. Nothing in her life will ever compare to that...

Made around Season 6.

I wouldn't worry my head over Sarah's quotes, though. We're talking about the girl who had a hard time understanding why her uncomplicated relationship with Angel had to disintegrate into the much more unpleasant Angelus-Buffy interaction, and found it very difficult to film those scenes -- which weren't half as harsh and complex as her Season 6 interaction with Spike, so you can imagine how much of a problem she had filming those. (Which, to be fair to Sarah, is sort of understandable, given that she's practically said James was her best friend in the cast.)

Mar 03 2008 01:07 pm   #64Guest
Does anyone know where I can find that quote that Joss said about him having no more ideas for Bangel after season three?
Mar 03 2008 01:10 pm   #65Enisy
Yeah, I got it:

Joss Whedon: (on Buffy's relationships) In terms of the Angel thing, the truth is that by Year 4 we would have been throwing up our hands going, "How can we possibly make this fresh?"

Mar 03 2008 02:26 pm   #66Guest
Enisy could you possibly dig up quotes for any of the other couples on the show?
Mar 03 2008 06:35 pm   #67nmcil
I have always wondered about just how much the actress was invested in the Angel-Buffy relationship - she never again gave the kind of passion with her other male love character.  When I say "invested" I don't mean in any real life way, but as a theme for her acting process-  She seemed very much to believe that whole First Love and Angel Forever - reading this quote makes me even more curious about her process with this particular arc.  There is very little that would support Angel being a good relationship for the Buffy character - not from my perspective.
” Recent evolutionary models have demonstrated what politicians have long known: the best way to get people to collaborate and to think like a group is to identify an enemy and charge that “they” threaten “us.”

Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Mar 03 2008 07:45 pm   #68Enisy
It's the director who has the upper hand in the television medium, not the actor. If Buffy came off more invested in Angel than Riley or Spike, it wasn't so much because of Sarah's efforts, but more because the relationship was designed to be passionate, rose-tinted first love, with proclamations of "forever" and hardly any doubts. The much more mature, much more uncertain Buffy of Season 7 has a way watered-down scene with Angel in Chosen, in which "if ever" replaces "forever", doubts abound, and the passion has dwindled.

Mar 16 2008 06:05 am   #69Guest

--The star and the executive producer of "Angel" have three words for the fans of the show who are up in arms over the budding romance between Angel (David Boreanaz) and Cordelia (Charisma Carpenter). Get over it. Accept the fact that Angel and Buffy (Sarah Michelle Gellar) are not going to get back together. Not only have the characters moved on, but the shows are on different networks now. "If you actually saw these two characters get back together, it would be so different . . . it probably wouldn't even work," Boreanaz said. "It would be like getting together with your first wife," added executive producer David Greenwalt. "It would be a nightmare." On the other hand, there definitely is something going on between Angel and Cordelia. "There's definitely love a-bloomin' there. She is not yet aware of her feelings toward Angel, but Angel has become somewhat painfully aware that he has feelings toward her."
--DB: Buffy's pretty much out of the picture. They've played their storyline and that's just the past. Buffy's just the past.
--Inteviewer: I'm a Buffy/Angel fan. Sorry.
DB: You're forgiven. No, I'm just saying that the two shows are on different networks and it's not gonna happen. There's no more story there for those two. Buffy isn't Angel's priority anymore. In season one and two of our show, she was always in the back of his mind, well, now it's all about the baby and Buffy is just, well, she's just a person he used to know.
Inteviewer: Awww, come on! The story there was so incredible.
DB: And like every good story, it came to an end. And then started over. On. Different. Networks. (again with the emphasis)
Inteviewer: Is Angel going to hook up with Cordy?
DB: Well, I'm all for it. I don't know what the writers have planned in that regard, but I'm a fan of Charisma's work and I'd love for our characters to be romantically involved. Cordy is really what Angel needs, I believe.

Anti B/A Quotes

Jeff Bell: My thoughts are that Angel is an adult. I think he and Buffy have come to a place, and you got a sense of this near the end of Buffy, where they were thinking, "We love each other, but the way things are now it ain't gonna work out. We're adults, so let's move ahead with our lives." Angel magazine

--Greenwalt said that he had reservations about pairing Angel with someone other than Buffy but that Whedon wanted to go ahead with Angel and Cordelia. "He was, like, 'People move on. You have to move forward all the time,' " Greenwalt said. "What I do like about the show is that it does keep changing and we are full of surprises. And people do come and go as in real life. . . . People fall in love and people move forward.

Mar 19 2008 02:23 pm   #70Guest

Regarding Spike, a.k.a. William the Bloody: "He sort of represents Buffy's other side. He's her id. He's hang dog because he loves Buffy, and he's not been getting his way. But in some ways I think he's the most powerful. And he's constantly struggling with his nature, which is also a part of Buffy's character arc. So, to me, he is heroic in the Buffy universe, because he's right there representing what the show's about, which is the struggle to be a hero and the other part of you that wants to drag ya on down into the abyss."
Mar 19 2008 05:36 pm   #71nmcil
Thanks much for the new quotes - excellent info to have -  Great to see that a lot of the discussions on Spike at my wonderful Buffy Board reflected the views of Marti Noxon.   There was always a divide between our board members, those who totally hated Spike and those who saw him as  the model for change and finding the strength needed to make those changes.  I am so glad that Joss Whedon allowed this character to become a vital, and in my opinion, the most vital part of his show.  I think Spike invigorated the show and made more interested and layered than ever. 
” Recent evolutionary models have demonstrated what politicians have long known: the best way to get people to collaborate and to think like a group is to identify an enemy and charge that “they” threaten “us.”

Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Mar 19 2008 07:46 pm   #72Enisy
Thank you so much for that quote! Never seen it before. I'm adding it to the list. :)