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Spuffy episodes

Aug 04 2007 06:37 pm   #1slayerfan

what 5 episodes of buffy the vampire slayer were most important to the spuffy relationship and why?

ok thanks in advance for any replies

Aug 04 2007 09:27 pm   #2slaymesoftly

Hmmm - well, I'd have to say the one in Season II where he approaches her to help save the world. She had a chance to see that a vampire can be more than just all about the bloodshed, that he can be trusted around humans (briefly), etc. etc.  Don't know that it necessarily made her appreciate Spike any more at the time, but I'd like to think that the things she learned during those last few episodes of the season might have sunk in somewhere.

Season IV - Something Blue  - Spell or not, it gave them all another way of looking at Spike (Remember Giles' astonishment at the idea that Spike was actually trying to help him?) Not to mention, some of those smoochies must have resonated later. :)

Season V - obviously the whole "Crush" episode, even if it didn't go well for Spike - and then, the beating he takes from Glory - that begins the turn  around of her attitude towards him

Season VI - pick one! LOL  Every time they had sex had to be a revelation, the beating, the breakup, the reaction to seeing him with Anya, the bathroom scene....train wrecks, all of them but leading to something more.

Season VII - "Touched"

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Aug 05 2007 06:07 am   #3Scarlet Ibis

I agree- Becoming Pt. 2, because of Angel with his whole Jekyll and Hyde routine, it reinforced Buffy's view of demons being a black and white issue, which isn't the case.  Spike shows her the layers.

Also in "Lie to Me-" Spike forfeits his chance of finally killing Buffy to save Drusilla, the love of his unlife and so forth, and Buffy uses that, which ultimately meant that she had to accept the fact that yes, Spike a soulless vampire was capable of love.  I'm sure she had to ponder that, especially after "Innocence."

Something Blue was not just a "what if" moment for us, but for them too, obviously.  Even if they'll never admit it... And I still think if Buffy's friends hadn't been around, and they came out of the spell alone together, it would have went differently.  And Buffy lied to Willow- she and Spike did not argue the entire time they were together... I think that's what jump started the disgusting Riley relationship (hey, did anyone know that Christian Kane auditioned for that part?  I'm glad he lost it though, cause he would've made Biley less vomit inducing, IMO)

Okay, two left, but it's so hard!!

"Checkpoint," because we see how much Buffy will rely on Spike, even if she claims to hate his guts.  She trusts him to protect her family- come on, HUGE manly responsibility there ("You treat me like a man...")

"Intervention," when he undergoes torture for her, and is nearly killed by a hell god just to spare her *emotional* pain, and he didn't even expect to be saved.

Okay, that's five, but I gotta say in "Afterlife," stair/couch scene, realizing he stayed all that time, "OMWF," when he saved her from suicide, and "Beneath You," realizing that he willingly got his soul for her.  Damn it, "Sleeper" basement scene before he's kidnapped... and "The Killer in Me" "Showtime," "Touched," and "Chosen" all for obvious reasons (I hope)

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Aug 06 2007 09:19 pm   #4Guest

Okay here's my five.

Becoming Pt 2- Spike shows Buffy a little bit of insight on his true vampiric self. That he loved unliving in the world and wasn't all about the violence.

Something Blue- Buffy gets to see the gentle side of Spike in love.

The Gift- plenty of season 5 moments but this is my favorite. The scene on the stairs where Spike says  I know I'm not a man but you treat me like one, the way she looks at him, definitely my favorite.

S6- My favorite was the 'Every night I save you', god that way emotional.

s7- Beneath You, the scene in the church, enough said with that. These are my favorite five.

Aug 08 2007 10:56 pm   #5Guest
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Ok, here's the five episodes I think were huge for the Buffy/Spike relationship.

Becoming Part II:  The first time Spike ever had her back.  In light of what happened later, it could have been a foundational moment, but for the fact that instead of seeing Spike as a person on his own, Buffy couldn't ever stop comparing him to Angel. 

Lover's Walk:  What Spike did in this episode is referenced throughout the rest of the series.  If he hadn't nabbed Xander and Willow, they might have been less bigoted later on.  Buffy's reluctance to tell her friends about her relationship with Spike comes directly in response to their black/white world views.  (Being the black/white views of Buffy, Xander, Willow, and Giles)

Crush:  This was a monumental leap forward in the relationship.  I believe Buffy actually got to see the real Spike in this episode.  Of course, I think for Buffy it all goes back to Angel.  How can Spike love her minus the soul when Angel(us) could not?  If Spike really loves her without a soul, then that means a demon can love.  And it means that Angel's demon doesn't love her, while his soul does.  If Buffy admitted that Spike really loved her, then it forfeits everything she had with Angel (in Buffy's view).  It means that Angel half loves her, half hates her, all the time.  So Buffy bars the entrance to her house at the same time she is closing off her mind and her heart to Spike.

Seeing Red:  Just to be clear, I don't condone rape, ok?  The way I look at the 6th season relationship between Spike and Buffy is that they were raping each other all the time, especially from Buffy's side.  Rape isn't usually about sex, but about power.  At that time in her life, Buffy felt powerless, except when Spike was around.  She abused him a lot, and because he was brought up as a vampire to think that's ok, he went along with it.  He accepted it.  She treated him like dirt, and he began to believe he was dirt.  But every human being--and I include Spike in that, because he has a lot more humanity than most of the human characters on the show--has a breaking point.  We see him reach that point in "Seeing Red," just as we saw Buffy reach that point in "Dead Things."  By this point in the season, I think they both realized things couldn't go on like they had been.  Buffy's attempt in "As You Were" is her m.o.:  run away from it.  And after "Seeing Red,"  we know that Spike took a more active approach in trying to fix things:  earning his soul.  In its way, this must have hurt Buffy the most, because, again, Angelus would never do such a thing.  He saw the soul as a burden, a weakness, whereas Spike saw it as a means of redeeming himself to Buffy.  God, it really makes me wish there had been a sixth season of "Angel." 

"Touched"/"Chosen":  Buffy and Spike had one real, adult, honest, love-filled moment on the series:  the night they held each other while they slept.  In that one moment, Buffy wasn't using him to get something else, or to feel something else.  It was just the two of them.  By the next morning, she has regained her sense of self, her role as "General."  From then on, Spike is being used as a tool again, an instrument in the fight against evil.  He gave her strength that night, Buffy was clear on that, but it was just fuel to keep going.  Then, when Angel gave her the amulet, she again saw Spike as an instrument. 

By the end of "Chosen," Spike is dead.  Neither I nor Buffy knew he was coming back.  Is Buffy sad?  No, not really.  She is in fact smiling because she's no longer the Chosen One.  Some have said that she's probably actually in shock, that the truth will hit her later.  I would like, if I may, to compare this moment with a similar moment in "Grave."  Willow has felt the pain of the world, and she has decided to destroy it in order to end her own suffering as well.  It takes one person, Xander, to turn the tide of her grief from rage to pain, allowing her to break down and release.  Conversely, Buffy has taken the burden of being the One off her shoulders by forcing it upon thousands of girls, who are just like she once was.  No matter what, it's always about Buffy.

I know I covered a lot of the negative moments, but it seems to me that Spike could do about 500 great things for Buffy (take torture from a god, protect the niblet, save Buffy's life half a dozen times) but it would only take one thing for the Scoobies to think of him as a creature.  Looking at the series as a whole, I get the feeling they all thought of Spike as a creature, doing a great mimicry of humanity.  For anyone who's read "The Deathly Hallows," I'm sure you'll agree with me when I say that sometimes "Kreatur"'s possess more humanity than we do.

Aug 18 2007 10:14 am   #6SpikeHot

 If he hadn't nabbed Xander and Willow, they might have been less bigoted later on. 

I don't remember Willow being 'bigoted' toward Spike, she was the only core four who treated him decently, even though he didn't deserve it. Yes, I'm a Spike fan, but I don't like to gloss over the bad things he had done to Buffy and her friends in the past. It's enough that he tried to kill Buffy a lot of times to hate him, and I'd like to say that eventually everyone, especially Buffy, seemed to forgive and accept Spike. Perhaps not Giles and Wood, but the rest of the Scoobies did.

Important Spuffy episodes, I would say Crush because it was the one where Spike admitted to Buffy that he loved her. Then Once More With Feeling because it shows that Buffy came to Spike when things went down in her life and shows their 'real' first kiss. Smashed for obvious reasons. Beneath You, because Buffy learned that Spike went to get a soul for her. Chosen, because of the goodbye scene, it was very beautifully done.

It's hard to sum up Spuffy if five episodes.