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Aug 28 2007 01:43 am   #1Guest

Has anyone ever noticed the way Faith and Spike seem to parallel one another. Both are the ones seen as the lesser heroes, the one's who aren't as loved and appreciated, but who seemed to be the more heroic. They also are very alike in personality, both are insecure and use sarcasm as a defense mechanism.

Buffy and Angel are seen as the great heroes, who are put up on pedestals by their respective teams, so high up all they can do is fall. And they usually do.

Also, Buffy and Faith are sort of sisters, and act like it. Their relationship mirrors Angel and Spike's, who act like brothers. Faith try's to take away older sister's life, because she covets it, and Spike unintentionally or not follows his older 'brother's' footsteps. Even the relationships. Angel and Spike go for the same women, Drusilla and Buffy, and Faith certainly had a thing for Angel, and it seemed like she wouldn't have minded trying a casual thing with Spike.

Aug 28 2007 02:12 am   #2Maggie2

I totally agree with you.  Relating this back to the thread about whether Joss really doesn't care about Spike, I wonder if he doesn't identify with both Faith and Spike, at least subconsciously.  If Joss's deal was being the Geeky outsider, why wouldn't he identify with the geeky outsiders who put on a seriously cool exterior, but who remain deep-down the geeky outsiders? 

Aug 28 2007 02:45 am   #3Eowyn315

I don't think Faith is geeky... insecure is not the same as geeky. So, I don't really see Joss identifying there. And I also don't think Joss puts on a cool exterior - rather than hide it, he embraces his geekdom, he's proud of it, and *that's* what makes him cool. In that sense, he's the antithesis of Spike, who wants to bury all traces of his geeky former self.

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Aug 28 2007 03:47 am   #4Guest

Adding to the first post, I've always seen a hint of sexual attraction between the two pairs of 'siblings.' Example: Buffy and Faith dancing in the bronze, and all of Angel and Spike's fights in season five.

Aug 28 2007 03:51 am   #5Scarlet Ibis

Yeah, had Faith not gone "bad," she totally could've made Buffy bi if she wanted to...

And Spike mentions one "intimate encounter" he had with Angel (or it could've been Angelus- if so, I suspect it was shortly after much drinking once the Immortal defiled their women concurrently) to Illyria.  Spike and Angel were *so* soul mates...

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Aug 28 2007 05:17 am   #6Maggie2

All I meant by 'geeky' is just the experience of being an 'out' kid in school, especially as a teenager.  It can take lots of forms.   We don't *know* that Faith didn't run with the in crowd, but she doesn't act like someone who once did. 

And I do think Joss totally puts on a 'cool' exterior.  It's Geeky Cool but it's still a mask.

Aug 28 2007 12:56 pm   #7Guest

Well, I know someone quoted how in season five of ATS Spike and Angel were the real love story, but I don't know any quotes about Faith and Buffy. I wonder how a scene in the show would have gone if you put all four of them in a room together cause that's never happened.