What pairings make you go blurgh...

For me my number one squick pairing is Bander.  Buffy and Xander just squick me as a couple.  ick ick ick.  Also Spander.  Really I hate all pairings with Xander including Anya/Xander.  That boy  just shouldn't mate IMO.

What about you guys?

Giles and Buffy is the one pairing on that show that I don't think I could stomach. They have great father/daughter chemistry, but that is where it ends IMO.

I see a story where Joyce and Spike were paired up can I just say yuck...:hurl:Although Spike did divorce Joyce for Buffy .... So it wasn't so bad in end and I've also read some Giles and Buffy pairing so not of the good  all I kept thinking was he's old enough to be her father EWWWW......:hurl:

I think Spike paired up with anyone besides Buffy is plain wrong...but maybe that's just me. But I do detest the Spike slash pairings, especially with Xander.

Anything that seems remotely incestuous - Buffy/Giles, Spike/Dawn or Spike/Joyce -  having said that; if an author is able to present that scenario believably, it can work.  I still don't like it, and wouldn't read it if I didn't have to (for judging or something), but every once in a while you come across someone who can write the characters well enough to make just about anything work.

Let me say, very loud and clear, that there are damn few writers who can do it - most of that stuff is just so OOC as to be laughable (if it weren't so icky).

ROFL  Faith/Clem-  okay, I don't think I've ever read anyone quite that good! LOL

hehe I LOVE Spawn...it's a sickness I can't help it.  I especially like really dark Spawn. And I don't care if people think it's OOC I heart it.  I want to snuggle it and roll around in a pile of leaves with it. :) muahahahaha

I also don't mind Giles/Buffy.  And some Spike/Joyce I like cause really...that woman never got to have any fun.  I've written a Spoyce, though it was very early and could definitely stand with some fixing up, and recently wrote a really dark squicky Spawn, but I haven't written any Guffy. hehe. ;)

Ewwww Zoe! Woman! I was so writing a ficlet for you in the whole Angel/Faith thing but now you done went and killed it! *cringe* JKing

For me its NO SPAWN! No no no no none!. Bleh and yuck. I'm not too keen on the whole Buffy/Giles thing either but it doesn't squick me as much as Spawn.

I don't write Joyce nor have I read anything with her in it other than just being Buffy's Mom--so can't give an opinion on that though for some reason I find a Joyce/Ethan Rayne pairing to be interesting...though yet to read that pairing.

I'm not big on the slash--especially when it concerns Oz or Spike or anyone else other than Xander (cause to me he has bi-tendencies) or Andrew (can we say QUEEEEEEN though Andrew just irritates me). Anyone else...just no...unless its a M/M/F type thing where theres just a bit but that isnt all it is.

Oh, Space, there is a very good Joyce/Ethan ficlet out there.  I will try to remember it whose it is and where you can find it.  Of course, telling you that it's J/E just sort of spoiled it...crap! LOL  It might be Good__Evil, now that I think of it....

There are a lot of fics that have Joyce getting together with Giles, and I have read a few Spike/Joyce (probably on All About Spike)that were fairly believable. 

No Space, PLEASE write me a faith/angel...i heart you.  I'll be good.  :)

I would like to see a Joyce/Ethan Rayne pairing.

*grin* Me too...I might have to put that down for a future fic...we'll see if Ethan can loosen Joycie up a bit and Jpyce can help tame the bad man...but let him keep his sarcasm and surliness ;)

I'm still writing...not to worry :D

Giles/anyone! I can't stand any pairing with Giles especially with Buffy and anyone of the Scoobies.

I also don't want to see Spike paired with anyone but Buffy. Except sometimes Angel and Xander, I'm sorry but Spangel and Spander are just HOT and the story is usually interesting.

Me - I'm strictly a Spuffy girl.  The top ranking squicks for me would be.... Spangel, Spara, Spillow or Spoyce - in no particular order.  Oh I forgot, Baith is in the running as well. I don't mind non canon pairings with the other character within a Spuffy story -  Anya/Giles is a favorite of mine. 

You know, the one pairing that was on the show that I never ever liked was Buffy and Riley... the whole thing just rubbed me the wrong way... Just icky!

Pretty much any pairing with Angel/us *shudders* just the thought of Angel naked is enough to make me hurl! lol

Spike/Dawn, Spike/Tara, Spike/Joyce, Spike/Willow.

Buffy/Giles, Buffy/Xander

Of course there are always exceptions and I have read some excellent, well-written fics in pairings that I would not usually enjoy.

awwww sanityfair, I  LOVE spara and spillow and s/t/w meow.

Yes Jenna, Briley is grody. 

bwahahahahaha always_jbj I remember having this discussion when I told you I loved S/B/A(us) and Bangelus hehehe.  I think DB is a beautiful beautiful man lol. ;)  (sorry, gotta rile ya a bit.) :)

SPAWN ftw!  Ok, stopping...being good now...or at least only 2% evil.  Like  milk. :) (not that milk is evil per se, unless you are lactose intolerant, I just meant that it comes in 2%.)

*goes to  her corner to contemplate her naughty behavior.*

LOL...I actually don't dislike DB...he's not my type, but I don't find him gross or anything, and can see how people can find him attractive...but I do find Angel/us really gross... it's not just about physical attributes. 

Ahhhhh I gotcha. lol.  As a character I think Angelus is hotter than Angel, but then I like my men evil. ;)

JM isn't my "physical" type.  He's shorter and more lean than I normally go for.  I like big kind of "imposing" looking guys, but Spike had such an in your face personality that I found him hot.  And those eyes and abs...well...nuff said, right? Oh...and the accent and the leather...stopping now. :)

There are some pairings that I'm unsure about. Spander can be written incredibly well but the idea of Xander getting groiny with Spike just seems unbelievable and makes me feel uncomfortable. I have read some good Giles/Ethan though. I love the darkness in their relationship. 

Personally, Guffy only seems to really work post NFA. Before that it would be hard to dispose of the pedophilia vibe. I only read Spawn when needing an angst fix or something dark and twisted.

The paths you can take with that pairing are amazing.

Spoyce, Spawn and Spander have to be my least favourite pairings. On the other hand Bander can be quite good and even hot. Angelus throwing his weight around...

*sighs* oh the possibilities

I don't normally jump in on these threads, but...

I'll read most pairings, but Spawn tends to disturb me. Anything with Riley is nasty (particularly Spiley.  I mean, even the <i>name</i> is nasty).  Also, I don't like Buffy ending up with either Xander or Angel, which is odd, because I do enjoy S/B/A.  ::shrug::

But honestly, if it's got Spike, and it's well-written, I'll probably give it a whirl.

-pretty_in_fangs (lowly reader)

awwwww.  *pets the lowly reader* We heart all our readers. :)

(sorry, I'm a wee bit loopy right now, I'm on hormones and i'm feeling a wee bit high.)

:sniff:  That's so sweet.

-pretty_in_fangs

While I don't like/read a lot of pairings (I'm a very boring person, I don't like Spike or Buffy with anyone but each other), I wouldn't say they "squick" me out. Mostly I simply don't like them or don't think they are believable. Esp when a character I think of as completely straight is written into a slash relationship, because believe it or not, there are those of us who aren't bi. (Nothing against slash, but there are characters where I just don't buy it, no matter how well done - just like I don't really buy Tara in a het relationship.)

So yeah, the only pairings where the mere thought makes me go "ewww", are Buffy/Giles, Buffy/Joyce, Buffy/Dawn and Joyce/Dawn. I mean, yeah, I've seen incest fics that were quite good, but those are AU fics where the author took two characters and made them relatives - it's just words, they don't "feel" like relatives to me. :shrug:

Something else that really squicks me out, although that's not a pairing as much as a situation, is when someone has a relationship/sex with a person who once upon a time had sex with the mother/father/daughter/son of that someone. I just, no, doesn't matter how it came about, the thought of sleeping with someone who had sex with my mom is almost enough to make me lose my lunch.

Well, I don't read slash, and any incest pairings are majorly off limits. The thought of Giles and Buffy is majorly ewwww! And I can't really believe Spike/Joyce or Spike/Dawn. No romance there at all.

I'm Spuffy all the way. Other of the girls could technically work with him...but it just feels wrong. "Off" is really a better word. I like Spara friendships, but when it goes beyond that, I have to check out.

An exception is when the author gets me mad enough at Buffy, that putting anyone else with Spike is looking like a fantstic idea, LOL. But everybody's been engineered into that certain position, so....

And I can write Spike/OC all day, but I can't read someone else's. Again...stuck on the Spuffy. :)

Caro Mio

Gah! Dia! People really write incest fics with Buffy/Dawn/Joyce?!?

*gak*

I'm afraid there is no pairing out there that hasn't been written. :-(

Dia, there are people who aren't bi? ;)  

What about...Andrew/Caleb?

I don't hate it when they pair up Spike with Joyce, and then make him hook up with Buffy.  One or the other.  God, I saw a Spiley once, and just the summary alone made me want to vomit.  Basically, Riley rapes him repeatedly...  And oh- the icons.... Hurl.

Buffy/Giles, Riley/anyone, Drusilla/Buffy, Spander, Spiles... not into femme slash.  But if done right, I absolutely LOVE Spangel, or Spawn.  Sorry guys, I've seen a couple of fics where the author nailed it.  I've also seen some that made me go "Eww," and I didn't finish them.

I'm squicking at all these disgusting pairings but the worst, the absolute bottom scraping, no hoper, hurl green vomit pairing is Conner and Cordelia, and you know I'm right. 

Spawn and Spander are major disgusting too.

"Gah! Dia! People really write incest fics with Buffy/Dawn/Joyce?!?"

Gah! Is right! A few years ago on a mailing list I'm on someone posted a Joyce/Buffy smut fic. There was no warning so I read some of it. Luckily I didn't get far. It was just nasty.  :hurl:

Other pairings I hate are Spander, Buffy/Giles, and Riley. Granted I don't like most Xander and Riley pairings. I wonder why? :P

The Spike/Willow pairing doesn't really squick me, I just don't have any interest in reading it. The same goes with Bangel. I prefer him with Cordy.

I also dislike Spike/Mary Sue pairing, what the hell? I hate Mary Sues all together.

Once I found Xander/Snyder now that's creepy.

And whoever wrote Buffy/Dawn/Joyce or Angel/Connor to rot in hell! Disturbing.

I also don't like when they make Spike and Buffy blood siblings/relatives- that's disgusting.  Even though in canon they aren't related, I don't wanna read incest.

Ummm...Mary Sue?!?

*is so lost*

@TSB I think she meant Original characters.

So what squiks me, mmmh, really not into slash, Spawn gives me shudders, where as Dawn/Xander, when she is older, is kinda ok. Just read a Spawn drabble in which Spike is the one to "make" a woman of her. No graphics, but not my cup of tea *yuck*

No big fan of "mary sues" either. I like my spuffy. Read some good Spoyce and Spara, but I really prefer him with Buffy. Ganya rates high on my list too, same as Willoz, thanks to TSB lovely Oz chronicles.

Space, a Mary Sue is a female character brought to fiction to repair the damage caused by other characters regarding the author's favorite character. She's usually a reflection of the author herself. A very beautiful and smart woman who's always right and in the end helps other characters to see the truth of their inner demons and make them apologize to the writer's favorite character for all the sins they did to him/her.

I remember a fiction where a Mary Sue, whatever her name was called, comes to the Summers house where all the characters minus Spike were gathered, she analyzes all the characters likes she knows them from birth and prove that Spike is better than them all and they should all apologize to him, even Willow and Tara who never done a thing to Spike, and eventually Spike realizes that Buffy is not worth his attention and falls in love with this perfect Mary Sue.

Here you can find all about Mary Sues:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mary+sue

Ooooh! Thank you SH. See...just goes to show you how sheltered I am still on the whole fanfic thing.

I have people popping up from other communites all over the place joining btvsatsdotcom and I'm like Huh?!? Where?!? I feel so noobish sometimes--especially when I get emails saying I've been nominated someplace and I had no clue that place even existed O.o

And lots of <3 to my Eve!

Right back at you Space, miss you on the mess *hugs*  Glad to hear the comm is doing good :D

for me, anything incestuous (sisters together, spike/joyce, spike/dawn, buffy/giles, giles/any scooby besides anya, who's not really young) squick me out...i can handle slash pairings with spike if it's believable, other than that very little squicks me...i *love* spara, and some other odd pairings, though spuffy is my favorite ;)

I've not been able to figure out what it is and why I randomly sign in and out...its irritating to say the least...I've a more computer friendly friend coming by over the weekend who has promised to take a peek for me.

I hate incest-y fics and m/m.  I really only want to see Spike with Buffy and vice versa, but I have a soft spot for Spike/Dru and I read a fic I really liked with Spike/Darla (Lessons on a Ledge by icemink).  Also, a really long time ago I read a Spike/Buffy/Drusilla fic that was interesting.  Sometimes I'll write Bangel, but I HATE reading it.  Spawn just seems really wrong to me, but to each his own I guess.

Something I really want to see (I'm just now watching S3 of Angel) is Angel/Lilah.  I have no idea why.

<----- Also want to say thanks to TSB for the avatar!

*grin*

You're welcome. If you check the artwork thread, I posted the link and password for the photobucket account with a TON more icons etc., if you wanna check it out.

Spawn, it's just wrong. I mean look at the freakin name for god's sake. Hello, SPAWN, it's SPAWN. Remember the comic book hero thingy dude from Hell, His name was SPAWN. Need I make that point clear, lol. Spawn is only something created from bad things, like if Chucky and his bride had a kid, it would be the SPAWN. If Jason and Freddy had a kid, it would be their SPAWN. Alien produced SPAWNS. See the full picture here? Am Imaking this clear? Oh yeah, and Spike and Faith cause their to much alike. Everything else I have no problems with. NO SPAWN. I mean seriously, OMFG, WTF? Who the hell in their rght mind like SPAWN.

Oh, thought of some more. No Giles/Buffy, Buffy/Xander, Buffy/Faith, Buffy/Willow (though I've read one really good one), or any other combo with Buffy and a Scoobie. I don't mind mm but it has to be good. I can't stand Spander though, I mean guh. I love Bangelus and Spangel/Spangelus.

OK, Side note, "and recently wrote a really dark squicky Spawn..." Um, Zoe, could I read that dark fic???? Now dark Spawn I don't mind. I like dark Dawn/Angelus too.

Has anyone noticed how Spike pretty much makes sense with any female from either show and Angel?   Well, cept for Darla, Kendra (well, maybe he could've taught her to loosen up or something), and some say Spawn, but sorry, I enjoy a good Spawn.  And yes, I'm aware that some think there's no such thing... But Zoe gets it :D

Do you think there's a Spike/Amy fiction around? Tha would be interesting.

Never seen or heard of any Spike/Amy....but I suppose it could exist!

 Has anyone noticed how Spike pretty much makes sense with any female from either show and Angel?

That is because they made everyone really complex - most of them had their champion qualities but they also had enough darkness in them to make them believable and more real.

They could all relate on myriad levels--enough to form close friendships or stronger relationships.

For me Spike/Dawn though... I just can't see it going beyond the brother/sister thing. The only way I ever see it is waaaaay down the line when Dawn is like 30 or something and realizes she's kinda aging rather slowly because he latent key powers have kicked in and she's immortal or something of the like and she and Spike hang together after everyone is gone. Even then, for me its still...weird... but in something like that, I could see how it might happen.

Yeah, that's the only scenario I could start to believe it in, too.

Space, that's true (about them being complex and stuff), but that wouldn't hold true for Angel or Xander... Gunn, Wesley... Riley (vomit)- just Spike (with main female characters- I didn't mean Amy or Ms. Calender).  But I suppose Spike's pretty... I dunno, well rounded?  He kinda covers all areas that make up the other characters- the warrior aspect, demon, bookish, passionate, etc. 

And before you judge Spawn, check out  Theohara's"Two Summers" here:

http://www.livejournal.com/tools/memories.bml?user=theohara&keyword=BtVS:+Two+Summers&filter=all

Here is a link to my twisted DARK Spawn, I put that in caps to WARN YOU.  No reading and then bitching. Seriously it's F'd up. :)  I wrote it to secure my "princess of kink" standing, or at least to put me in the running for P of K. ;)

http://zoegrace.livejournal.com/340478.html

Also, Scarlet, the Spawn link... I usually just like dark Spawn.  If it's PG-13, it's definitely not dark enough for me. :)

Aaah... I see, Zoe.  Well, let's just say that link was for the nay sayers.  Here's a very dark NC-17, but very well done, called "let the World Spin" by Wesley's Girl (also has a... Wander?  Wes/Xander).  It's grade A darkness there: http://home.comcast.net/~wesleysgirl/fanfiction/ltws1.html

Thanks! I bookmarked it. :)

I've read some really fabulous Spike/Darla fics... Icemink, AmyB and Lillianmorgan have all written excellent, and very believable Sparla.

 LOL...and I'm with Space... Spawn makes me shudder...but that is probably because I have always believed that the other half of Dawn's gene pool (come on, if she was made ONLY from Buffy she would be a Buffy!clone) came from Spike...the blue eyes, the cheekbones...the questionable ethics LOL

hahaha always_jbj that IS a good point.  To me that's fanon, like I use it when it suits me and ignore it when it doesn't.  Obviously when I write or read Spawn I'm not on the thought train of "She's in some mystical sense his daughter" cause.  ewwww.  Few things squick me, but incest does.  Although I didn't really mind "Flowers in the Attic", the brother/sister thing, but it was a VERY extreme circumstance and I could understand why they were drawn to each other like that.  It was in some sense emotional survival.  And certain situations make things okay that would never otherwise be okay...you know, like eating other people if you get snowed in. ;)

Zoe I just read your fic, loved it. Very dark and good. Wants more, lol.

Always you know I think that maybe a reason why normal Spawn makes me go "gah". I alwyas felt the monks used both Buffy and Spike. As for incest fics in gen, they have to be writen well. I liked the Victorian one with Spike/Tara and "The Attic" over at SR. Both are good.

Scarlet I'm going to give the fic you posted a try, see if I can read and like it. I'll let you know. :)

Funny thing about Spike/Dawn: Whether or not the monkes used him in creating her doesn't matter to me; my problems with incest-fic don't have anything to do with genetics, they have to do with people growing up thinking of someone as their brother/mother/sister/father. In s5 and the beginning of s6 Dawn seemed to see him as a kind of big brother figure, so the pairing has very high squick potential for me.

On the other hand, brother and sister who grew up seperately and never even know of the others existance, that's much less squicky - although I would hope they will have enough common sense not to try and reproduce.

GB Thanks! If I ever write another Spawn I'll let you know.  It was just a dirty little plot bunny that wouldn't let go. ;)

Dia, I get some of the squick factor there.  I don't think I could see Spike and Dawn really together from Canon where they had become like brother and sister.  I usually like dark Spawn where they never had that brother/sister vibe going.

Princess. Of. Kink.

That's our Zoe! =)

:P

You're welcome Zoe. :)

Dia, I agree mostly with you. But again, if someone has written the story well and developed the plot then I could buy it. I mean with brother/sister growing up together then getting it on. But I draw the line at Father/daughter mother/son, uck. Megan and Tam are writing a good one where Spike is Buffy's uncle and his brother is Giles. Very good.

I absolutely for no reason at all can read incest fics/stories- I might as well be reading bestiality.  Gross, gross and more gross. I love dark, just not that kind.

However, I'll go with the idea of Dawn being made out of Spike and Buffy when it suits me, otherwise, I can deal with a Spawn, cause there are som really good ones out there (Zoe, I just got home, gonna read yours soon as I'm done here).  Oh, and I've read a drabble where Dawn was made out of Buffy and Faith- cause hello, two active Slayers.  Taller than Buffy, dark hair (though that still doesn't explain the blue eyes...).  In one of my fics, I made her the daughter of Joyce and Giles.  Meh.

Zoe, you naughty girl... Didn't expect that ending.  Well done.

hahaha thank you! :)

Oh God. SPAWN makes me want to hurl. Spander and Spangel/us too. Call me old fashioned, but i like my Spike with Buffy.

I must say i feel horrible knowing that i've made a Mary Sue. More in the way of her being a new character than the falling-in-love-with-Spike part, but she does have a heart-to-heart with Buffy which spurrs her (Buffy) on to profess her true feelings to Spike.

That's not so bad, right? Right?

Nah, I don't think it's that bad, lol.

OMG, beastiality, um, ewwwww. That's just NASTY. *runs from the room screaming*

I don't really like Buffy w/ anyone but Spike, but the only really squicky one is Buffy/Giles. I don't really like anyone with Giles, except Joyce or Anya. Oh, and Buffy/Faith squicks me out too. And incest gets a blanket squick.

Spawn is squicky unless it's a future fic where Dawn is older - usually one of those scenarios where Buffy's dead and those two stayed together. Dawn/Xander doesn't bother me though.

I can easily read Spike paired with just about anyone - though obviously I have my preferences. :-D I will confess to a weakness for well-done Spangel stories... but I generally dislike B/S/A. I just can't see them sharing.

I don't like threesomes either- even if it's like a Spike and a past/present Spike, or AU Spike or William- it's too weird.  And GB, I meant that incest fics (IMO) are worse than bestiality fics, and bestiality fics are horrendous in general.  I stay away from both.  A Spander might "squick" me, but those other two are absolutely intolerable.  Nice icon, btw.

And Eowyn- a Buffy/Giles is awful- too close to sounding like incest, him being a father figure and all.  And their combined names would be Biles... Gross.

Heh, pretty good rule of thumb - if the combined name squicks you out, the pairing probably ain't gonna do much better. Biles, Biley, Spawn... I'm sure that's why Spuffy works so well... the name's just so cute!

Scarlet I hear ya. Not all incest fics I like, 'cause the majority are just ewww. But only a ew I like, and they are Spuffy, and really, I can't see them as brother and sister even if written as such. Glad you like the icon, lol.

Eowyn I agree, SPAWN, clearly wrong. Though I have read some dark Spawn that I like. Biles, ewww, it's just wrong. Not 'cause of the father daughter thing going on, it's just gross. I can't see them together at all. Giles belongs only with Joyce or Anya. hee hee hee

SPAWN and BILEY are wayyy the worst names.

Like, SPAWN! Spawn of Satan, Spawn of Micheal Jackson and Tim Cruise.

and BILEY! its like, bile! Also Biles. thats closer. they're all squicky. 

Not really a squick, but an intense i-wanna-kick-whoever-invented-this's- arse way, is Killow. Kennedy+Willow. Like, look at name. Kill/ow. Kill. Ow. Bloody hell, people! What about Willedy? thats nice...r.

Nah- stick with Killow cause that pairing in general in an abomination.  I'd rather have her hook up with Xander than that Skanky McSkank.  Eww.

Oh, and Riley/Anybody makes me wanna heave :hurl:

Spawn is YUMMY.

(hehe sorry, couldn't help stirring it up. ;)

Am I a bad Spuffy fan for enjoying Spangel and Spander? I can't help it but I like to read Spike with different male characters but I don't want him with any woman who's not Buffy. I guess I'm still a loyal Spuffy fan, right?

"Am I a bad Spuffy fan for enjoying Spangel and Spander?"

Nope. I love Spike/Angel. I have a weakness for reading fics were Buffy realises she's lost both Spike and Angel to each other.  :D

I'm relieved. I think Spike is better with Buffy honestly because that's what we saw on screen and it's easier to imagine and take the fiction seriously. However, I have read a bunch of well written Spike/Angel and Spike/Xander fiction that I'm afraid I'd slip away... I guess it's the new ideas and the new plots which are not that different from Spuffy so that's a big reason I was drawn to these two slash pairings.

I love Spuffy on paper, as well as a well written Spangel.  However, Spangel on screen just had more chemistry.  It's weird, but they did, and it wasn't so dark and angsty, and I LOVED it.  And I don't see how a Spander is even possible- maybe on Xander's end if he were drunk and single, and that's *maybe*, but I don't see Spike seriously going for that under any circumstance.  And Spiley?  What sick mind thought of that?  I don't understand...

I know what you mean about Spander. It is hard to imagine, but I've read some convincing fiction and I liked it, it also helps that I'm starting to like Xander after hating him for so long. It was like I'm Spike in Spander, slowly discovering the good in Xander, that's refreshing since most of the fiction I've read, mostly Spuffy, try to show me how much of an asshole he is.

As for Spiles, no way I'm reading that. I can see the attraction of two English men hitting it off, but still.

Ok, Spike and Riley is just WRONG. As for Spike and Xander, really I can't buy it. I've read some good Spander fixs, but they just don't work for me. Maybe Xander with Angelus in some twisted way, but Spike, nah. I do love Spangel though, and Spangelus. I heart that. And I agree, they had a good mix on tv. Way better than Spike and Buffy, but I just count that up to them knowing each other longer, going through more things. And then in S5 they both were more mature than they were 100 years ago.

Now I want to write Spriley just to be disturbing and contrary. ;)

Scarlet, you're so right about the Spangel chemistry... even Joss has said that James had better chemistry with DB than any woman they ever tried to pair with Angel (which is kind of sad, considering three years of BtVS revolved around Angel's not so chemical relationship w/ Buffy). Of course, James Marsters has great chemistry with a brick wall. The man has talent.

I adore Spangel - as friends, as enemies, as "strictly about the sex" partners, and as lovers. And it's so easy to make it plausible, because the slashy subtext was practically breaking the surface at times on the show.

Spikehot- I meant with Riley. :barf:  Giles?  Never heard of a Spike and Giles, and that just would make the sense that's not- ever.  I've seen Spike/Wesley pairing, but I didn't bother to read it because I couldn't fathom that either.

Zoe, please don't add to the abomination that is Spriley- god, I'd just die!!

Eowyn- Amen on the Spangel.  I <3 them in any form.  Anyone with a link to some good Spangel, send it my way.

Rose, though I haven't had the chance to read it yet, I've been seeing some... Lander?  Xarry?  fics out there.  I read a short one, and though it wasn't completely well done, the story line made sense.  I could see Xander being gay with Larry, and maybe Angelus, but that's it for Xander being with a guy (that makes any sense anyway, IMO).

Which sick minded SOB thought up Spiley?

I want their name and rank. And a pistol.

While Spuffy is my all-time favorite, B/S/A fics are a VERY close second.  The only other pairing I read on a regular pairing is Spawn,  but only A/U's  where Buffy is already dead, never had a fling with Spike or doesn't exist.

My only real squicks are Spiley & Spiles.  Other pairings don't really 'squick' me, but I don't like seeing Spike with anyone else.

I guess I'm the only one who likes Spander here. It's fine since it's popular somewhere else. I have been reading a rewrite of season 7 but Spander style 

Most of my favorite Spander fiction are set in season 4 where both Xander and Spike are outsiders and looked down on. Of course, most of those have Anya out of the picture by having her dump Xander to discover the world, discover he's gay then dump him, or the popular 'she never came back when she ran away in season 3.

Scarlet, Spike and Riley? That's a little too disturbing. I haven't seen a fiction with Spike/Riley, does anyone have a link? I'm curious.

Spikehot- The only one I can think of (though  I don't have the link) Is one that starts as a Spawn, but evolves into an involutary Spriley because Spike is kidnapped by the returned Initiative, and Riley (and other Initiative guys) sees fit to rape and abuse him (It's by Ariel Dawn, though I don't remember the title of the fic).  A lot of the Sprileys, it seems, involves Riley raping Spike, because Spike cannot defend himself, and Riley keeps pushing that envelope of darkness... Oh god, a disturbing plot bunny just entered my head...

 Anyway, we all know a sane (or insane Spike) would never go there.  I'm sure if you did a search on fanfic, or adult fic, or at athenwolf.com/justrewards, you'll find a sick Spriley that you're looking for :D

Is this the fic you're talking about? End Before Begeinning

that's odd, cause i just went to that fic and didn't see anything in it at all about riley....dawn goes back in time to way before riley was ever in the picture .... hmm....maybe it's a different fic?

I don't know I haven't started reading it yet. It's the only one that I saw by AD with Dawn and Spike, so I figured it but be the fic Scarlet was talking about.

Uh...hello.

Previous posts have piqued my curiosity...um (really stupid question) what is "Darkfic"?

I'm not asking anyone to write me a ten page report or anything, but if someone could give me a general idea/definition of what to expect before I dive on in, I would appreciate it.  Thank you. ~asr

(Oh, and to add something that's actually relevant:  I cannot bring myself to read Wesley/Willow, no matter the author.)

"Dark" can be anything perverted in the evil sense, or really hard on the characters, or having lots of twisted evil bad guys making everything awful for the good guys, or sexually twisted in a way that 's not healthy and enjoyed by both parties. There can be torture, death, rape.....

or be all about dark thoughts.

GB- I made a mistake, it was actually sexy mermaid who wrote it.  It's called "Forbidden," and you can find it here: http://www.livejournal.com/tools/memories.bml?user=sexymermaid&keyword=Forbidden&filter=all

Oh, and there's this awesome Wesley/Willow fic  where it's after s6, and at the time where Wesley was "exiled."  Instead of Willow going to England with Giles, she exiles herself, performing a forgetting spell... It's really sweet and terribly well done.  I thought that Shadowlass had written it, but I couldn't find it at her site...  Wesley and Willow works for me.

pairings that squick me? For one I hate Riley so if he's in a fic and has any serious romance it bothers me. Spillow doesn't get the job done for me, but I have read a really good Spara fic on fanfiction.net. Spangel, Spiles, or Spander for me are not so mixy. But that's just me. I've never read a Sparla fic, but oddly enough my very first Spuffy fic had some Sparla scenes, it was pretty freaking twisted. Spike/OC, depends on the fic. And Biles, that just makes me wanna bash my head into the land that is unconsciousness.

Thanks Scarlet. Right now I'm reading the fic by here where Spike is a slave and Angel is his master I think it takes place in Pompei. I think its good. I love Spangel. <3

While I'm not new to the fandom, I am new to writing fic and I've been generally surprised to see the hard lines that a lot of people draw concerning what they will and won't read. I'm primarily a Spuffy shipper, but for me it's mostly about Spike and I pretty much adore him with any other female character. I'm not a huge fan of slash, but have certainly read convincing Spander and Spangel stories that I've enjoyed. I like to be open about pairings because often a writer really will surprise you. I recently just wrote a Spawn fic and really grappled over making the situation plausible and emotionally true to characters. Giving yourself a good challenge can be a lot of fun.

I can't honestly think of any pairings that really disturb me on principle. I'm more put off by the content of stories, like slave, torture, sub/dom, or hardcore kink fics. Angst is a beautiful thing and emotional suffering leaves so many doors to explore, but sexual violence perpetrated consentually or, more often than not in slash, unconsentually really disturbs me. That's just my two cence.

No problem, GB :)

ClawofCat- Spawn?  Um.... where? :D

Scarlet -

You can read my Spawn story on my LJ http://clawofcat.livejournal.com/905.html#cutid1

I would love some feedback. I have no idea where to post it, hence not many people have seen it. Are there any decent archive sites for that pairing? Pretty much everything I know features Spuffy.

There's summerofspawn and spike/dawn on livejournal.  Oh- here's a new site for Spawn: http://community.livejournal.com/spikedawn/

scarlet ibis, but I want to.  I want to write SPILEY.  YUMMMMMMMM

muahahahahahahaha

okay, saying that is like saying human fingers are yummy.  *stops*

Zoe, you're being naughty in the so not fun kind of way. I'm thinking your huby needs to tighten that belt of his, lol. I can e-mail him a list of punishments for you. *giggles*

Please save the world do not write a Spiley, that's a crime against humanity.

hahaha he has a list. 

What? You thought he was unprepared?

hee hee hee, no, never. He's good. :)

Personally, I don't read Buffy/Riley or Buffy/Xander, 'cos I don't like Riley and I don't see Buffy and Xander together - but to say that those pairings 'squick me' is an over statement. Pairings that 'do' squick me are Buffy/Giles, Spike/Joyce and Spike/Dawn - probably 'cos I consider those relationships to be more 'parental' than 'love affairs'. I just don't think it's likely to happen, like Spike/Willow or Spike/Tara - they turned out to be 'gay', for God's sake!

And I can't stand slash in any form - even if the fic's author is the second Proust (okay, don't tell how much you don't like Proust - it's an example).

With good writing and characters that are true to what we saw onscreen (and the time and place, etc.).  I can see most pairings without weirding out EXCEPT.....Spike and Riley (unless it is non con on Spike's part and not out of love on Riley's).  or Spike and Xander in any form.  I think it is because I just cannot see Riley or Xander ever being the object of Spike's affection and he tends to only have "relationships" (Harmony was not a relationship) with people he loves...he's a romantic in my mind and not just all about the sex.  Just can't see it.

I can see Spawn with future Dawn and Buffy long out of the picture in some way.  I can see Spara when Buffy is out of the way and they emphasize it is the emotions that lead to the physical (cause, hey, she's gay but if she fell in love with Spike.....).  Only Giles/Buffy if Buffy is an adult already.  

Last but not least.....I cannot believe in any Bangel past Angel moving on after he moved to LA.  I don't think that couple would have outlasted Buffy's early college even without the curse problem (they just did not have a true view of the other and did not bring out the best in each other).  I think they would have eventually broken up when they took off the rose colored glasses so any post S5 Bangel feels forced to me.

I think that's all really.  I can see Buffy trying it with lots of people but only Spike brought out the best in her and was her proper long term relationship IMHO.  I  can see Spike with most anyone male or female (human or demon) if he were to love them and if Buffy were completely out of the picture.  I just don't see him "moving on" as long as Buffy exists though.  I can't see Tara with a male other than Spike or maybe Oz.  Still in the hands a great writer I can handle any except the first two I mentioned in this post.

Kathleen

i agree with most of what kathleen just said, actually...

I can see Spike with just about anybody under the right circumstances, but those circumstances would have to include a.) Buffy being dead; or b.) Buffy crossing a line so extreme that it absolutely kills his love for her, or if not kills it, lets him know that he can't be with her anymore

In Spara fics I've written, I've gone for the second option (obviously :P) because I agree, Spike would have a very hard time moving on, possibly even if Buffy *was* dead -- as we saw in the beginning of Season Six.

I don't care much for slash as a general rule, but there are some pairings that are believable to me...the only ones I could absolutely not see would be Spike/Riley (unless it's non-con, as stated before)...as for the m/f ships, I can't see him with Dawn unless she's an adult, or with Joyce -- I mean, ew! That seems almost worse to me than with Dawn for some reason...I know it doesn't make sense, but...*eww*!

the only ones that truly squick me though are ones involving family members, and Spike/Joyce...other than that I'm pretty much good with reading any ship as long as the writer can pull it off...and i think it all comes down to the skills of the writer, because a really excellent writer can make you believe and even enjoy *almost* any pairing....whereas a less experienced/talented writer might write excellent canon ships, but not be able to bring about believable other ships....

i don't know, i'm rambling now -- but I think it mostly comes down to the writer in question :)

You know now that I th ink about and yes I've read some good Spawn (Zoe's,) it icks me out to know that after bumping Buffy he could go there and touch Dawn. That's just wrong, and nasty, and ewww. Same with Joyce. I mean their sisters and mother for pet's sake. I can't see that happening just to nasty.

Now that I think about it, the only Spawn's that I've read thus far always involve pre Spuffy sex- either Buffy stays dead, or it goes off canon and someone leaves and Spike and Dawn meet again down the road.  As for Spara, "Soft" didn't go either way as far as Spike being abused or Tara being harassed, but they just become friends in season 6, and the only person who they can confide in is each other, and they progress from there.  It seemed utterly natural.

I've read only one semi Spoyce (though it was all human- "Older" by Nauti bitz), and yea, it was gross because Spike was like sharing... And as far as I'm concerned, Joyce belongs with Giles.  And a Biles is NEVER okay- he's her (non biological) father, for crissakes.  He doesn't always make the right call, but her dad nevertheless.

Riley/anybody is never okay, and neither is Spander- Spike just wouldn't go for it... The only guy that Spike could or did have a relationship was Angel(us), and that's the only one that makes sense.

I could see a potential Spillow, only not really because they only would've made sense in s4, but by then, he was already infatuated with Buffy (even if he didn't acknowledge it), so it would be too late for them.

And I don't see Giles or Wes being gay with Spike or with each other.  It just makes the sense that's not, and I don't care about their dualities or the fact that they're Brits and intelligent- they could be friends, and that's as far as it goes for me.

Well, I read a Wes/Xander once, and it made sense and I enjoyed reading it... It was in "Let the World Spin" by Wesley's Girl.  I still don't see Giles being gay with anybody though.

ROTFL at Joyce/Olaf... er, Jolaf? Must read that one... 

Spuffy's my favorite, but I'll pretty much read any pairing with Spike in it. Except for him with Giles cause that's just blech. The pairing I truly don't like is Bangel.

Spuffy's my favorite, but I'll pretty much read any pairing with Spike in it. Except for him with Giles cause that's just blech. The pairing I truly don't like is Bangel.

I stay clear of slash and incestuous pairings. It pisses me off when there's even a hint of it and no warning. 

As for pairings that don't fall into those categories, I am 'squicked' by Buffy/Xander, Spike/Willow, Spike/Tara, and Angel/Willow. I consider any pairing with Giles (save Anya and Joyce) and with Dawn incestuous since the former is essentially a father figure to the other characters and the latter is like a sister. 

The one pairing I would love to read (and would have loved to see develop onscreen) is Spike/Fred. That relationship had potential if built slowly, say over a couple of seasons. Fred was the kind of girl who have treated Spike well.

I really hate bangel. Never could stand it, even before Spike came along. And I know this is completely off topic, but has any one else noticed the lack of Bangel fanfiction archives there are out there? I was looking for curiosities sake, and I found virtually none. It just seems to me that Spuffy is the more popular pairing for fanfiction.

Have never gone looking for Bangel archives because who wants to read it? LOL  But I know they are out there.  I believe Spuffy lovers do outnumber them by a lot though. (Or maybe we're just louder and write more? LOL)

The only other person I know in RL who is a Buffy fan turned out to be a Bangel.  She was very disappointed in me when my son told her I was a Spuffy -and vice versa. LOL

Actually, I'm fairly certain that Spuffy fan fic in general outnumbers all other fan fic.  Check the numbers at fanfic.net and aff.net- we Spuffy shippers out number all other shippers. Period.

:D

Actually, I'm fairly certain that Spuffy fan fic in general outnumbers all other fan fic.  Check the numbers at fanfic.net and aff.net- we Spuffy shippers out number all other shippers. Period.

:D

It have the same impression given the comparative dearth of Bangel fanfic. Spuffy lives! :spuffy: Can't say I am squicked by Bangel although the Angel-bashing in Spuffy fanficdom has managed to sour me on the couple.:sigh:

Spike could never see Xander or any other man in a sexual manner.

I think it depends on how we see characters. I think Spike is attracted to strength and power. Dru, Angelus and Buffy were all powerful and admirable figures, all above Spike, and that's why he was obsessed with them, until obsession turned to love. You may disagree with me, but we all have different opinions. 

For once I'd love to read about Spike falling in love with someone who's not strong enough, not fast enough, not looked up to. Someone normal yet always tries to be there for those they love. I really liked the Spike/Fred friendship on Angel the Series and have read some nice fiction related to this pairing.

The Xander/Spike pairing interests me because both parties have to see more than their thick heads allow them. Spike sees Xander as weak and pathetic. Xander seems Spike as a monster. It's nice to lock them both in a room and let them discover more depths into each other. I don't think I'm in it for the slash as much as I enjoy seeing Spike and Xander appreciate each other.  That moment when Xander lights Spike's cigarette is one of my all time favorite Buffy the Vampire Slayer moments.

And, how exactly did Spike get that lighter back?

I once read a story where Xander returns it to Spike. I don't remember where but it was a Xander and Spike friendship short fiction.