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Pairings that Squick you...

Feb 15 2007 06:02 pm   #1ZoeGrace

What pairings make you go blurgh...

For me my number one squick pairing is Bander.  Buffy and Xander just squick me as a couple.  ick ick ick.  Also Spander.  Really I hate all pairings with Xander including Anya/Xander.  That boy  just shouldn't mate IMO.

What about you guys?


Feb 15 2007 06:30 pm   #2Jenna

Giles and Buffy is the one pairing on that show that I don't think I could stomach. They have great father/daughter chemistry, but that is where it ends IMO.

Spike: You're the one, Buffy

Buffy: I don't want to be the one.

Spike: I don't want to be this good looking and athletic. We all have crosses to bear.
Feb 15 2007 07:19 pm   #3

I see a story where Joyce and Spike were paired up can I just say yuck...Although Spike did divorce Joyce for Buffy .... So it wasn't so bad in end and I've also read some Giles and Buffy pairing so not of the good  all I kept thinking was he's old enough to be her father EWWWW......

Feb 15 2007 07:22 pm   #4Guest

I think Spike paired up with anyone besides Buffy is plain wrong...but maybe that's just me. But I do detest the Spike slash pairings, especially with Xander.

Feb 15 2007 07:27 pm   #5slaymesoftly

Anything that seems remotely incestuous - Buffy/Giles, Spike/Dawn or Spike/Joyce -  having said that; if an author is able to present that scenario believably, it can work.  I still don't like it, and wouldn't read it if I didn't have to (for judging or something), but every once in a while you come across someone who can write the characters well enough to make just about anything work.

Let me say, very loud and clear, that there are damn few writers who can do it - most of that stuff is just so OOC as to be laughable (if it weren't so icky).

I am not a minion of Evil...
I am upper management.
Feb 15 2007 07:37 pm   #6Verity Watson
Jenna, I'm with you - no Buffy/Giles, please! But I'll read anything else that seems plausible. As slaymesoftly wrote "if an author is able to present that scenario believably, it can work." So bring on the tales of Faith/Clem! And so on ...
You know I've been a good girl, but I hit a limit. ~ Poe
Feb 15 2007 07:47 pm   #7slaymesoftly

ROFL  Faith/Clem-  okay, I don't think I've ever read anyone quite that good! LOL

I am not a minion of Evil...
I am upper management.
Feb 15 2007 08:37 pm   #8ZoeGrace

hehe I LOVE Spawn...it's a sickness I can't help it.  I especially like really dark Spawn. And I don't care if people think it's OOC I heart it.  I want to snuggle it and roll around in a pile of leaves with it. muahahahaha

I also don't mind Giles/Buffy.  And some Spike/Joyce I like cause really...that woman never got to have any fun.  I've written a Spoyce, though it was very early and could definitely stand with some fixing up, and recently wrote a really dark squicky Spawn, but I haven't written any Guffy. hehe.

Feb 15 2007 09:08 pm   #9The Space Between

Ewwww Zoe! Woman! I was so writing a ficlet for you in the whole Angel/Faith thing but now you done went and killed it! *cringe* JKing

For me its NO SPAWN! No no no no none!. Bleh and yuck. I'm not too keen on the whole Buffy/Giles thing either but it doesn't squick me as much as Spawn.

I don't write Joyce nor have I read anything with her in it other than just being Buffy's Mom--so can't give an opinion on that though for some reason I find a Joyce/Ethan Rayne pairing to be interesting...though yet to read that pairing.

I'm not big on the slash--especially when it concerns Oz or Spike or anyone else other than Xander (cause to me he has bi-tendencies) or Andrew (can we say QUEEEEEEN though Andrew just irritates me). Anyone else...just no...unless its a M/M/F type thing where theres just a bit but that isnt all it is.

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Feb 15 2007 09:26 pm   #10slaymesoftly

Oh, Space, there is a very good Joyce/Ethan ficlet out there.  I will try to remember it whose it is and where you can find it.  Of course, telling you that it's J/E just sort of spoiled it...crap! LOL  It might be Good__Evil, now that I think of it....

There are a lot of fics that have Joyce getting together with Giles, and I have read a few Spike/Joyce (probably on All About Spike)that were fairly believable. 

I am not a minion of Evil...
I am upper management.
Feb 15 2007 09:28 pm   #11ZoeGrace

No Space, PLEASE write me a faith/angel...i heart you.  I'll be good. 

I would like to see a Joyce/Ethan Rayne pairing.

Feb 15 2007 09:38 pm   #12The Space Between

*grin* Me too...I might have to put that down for a future fic...we'll see if Ethan can loosen Joycie up a bit and Jpyce can help tame the bad man...but let him keep his sarcasm and surliness

 

I'm still writing...not to worry

~*~ The Powers offer no sympathy for the way things are...Human deeds are left in human hands. It's what one does with what's left that makes any difference ~*~ Jenny Calander as created by HollyDB
Feb 15 2007 09:57 pm   #13SpikeHot

Giles/anyone! I can't stand any pairing with Giles especially with Buffy and anyone of the Scoobies.

I also don't want to see Spike paired with anyone but Buffy. Except sometimes Angel and Xander, I'm sorry but Spangel and Spander are just HOT and the story is usually interesting.

Feb 15 2007 10:07 pm   #14SanityFair

Me - I'm strictly a Spuffy girl.  The top ranking squicks for me would be.... Spangel, Spara, Spillow or Spoyce - in no particular order.  Oh I forgot, Baith is in the running as well. I don't mind non canon pairings with the other character within a Spuffy story -  Anya/Giles is a favorite of mine. 

"I'm fine. I mean, I'm not running around, wind in my hair, the hills are alive with the sound of music fine, but..." -- Jenny Calendar
Feb 15 2007 10:39 pm   #15Jenna

You know, the one pairing that was on the show that I never ever liked was Buffy and Riley... the whole thing just rubbed me the wrong way... Just icky!

Spike: You're the one, Buffy

Buffy: I don't want to be the one.

Spike: I don't want to be this good looking and athletic. We all have crosses to bear.
Feb 15 2007 10:49 pm   #16Always_jbj

Pretty much any pairing with Angel/us *shudders* just the thought of Angel naked is enough to make me hurl! lol

Spike/Dawn, Spike/Tara, Spike/Joyce, Spike/Willow.

Buffy/Giles, Buffy/Xander

Of course there are always exceptions and I have read some excellent, well-written fics in pairings that I would not usually enjoy.

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Feb 15 2007 11:10 pm   #17ZoeGrace

awwww sanityfair, I  LOVE spara and spillow and s/t/w meow.

Yes Jenna, Briley is grody. 

bwahahahahaha always_jbj I remember having this discussion when I told you I loved S/B/A(us) and Bangelus hehehe.  I think DB is a beautiful beautiful man lol.   (sorry, gotta rile ya a bit.)

SPAWN ftw!  Ok, stopping...being good now...or at least only 2% evil.  Like  milk. (not that milk is evil per se, unless you are lactose intolerant, I just meant that it comes in 2%.)

*goes to  her corner to contemplate her naughty behavior.*

Feb 15 2007 11:17 pm   #18Always_jbj
I think DB is a beautiful beautiful man lol.

LOL...I actually don't dislike DB...he's not my type, but I don't find him gross or anything, and can see how people can find him attractive...but I do find Angel/us really gross... it's not just about physical attributes. 

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Some will love and some will curse you, baby
You can go to war
But only if you have to 


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Feb 15 2007 11:21 pm   #19ZoeGrace

Ahhhhh I gotcha. lol.  As a character I think Angelus is hotter than Angel, but then I like my men evil.

JM isn't my "physical" type.  He's shorter and more lean than I normally go for.  I like big kind of "imposing" looking guys, but Spike had such an in your face personality that I found him hot.  And those eyes and abs...well...nuff said, right? Oh...and the accent and the leather...stopping now.


Feb 15 2007 11:29 pm   #20Guest

There are some pairings that I'm unsure about. Spander can be written incredibly well but the idea of Xander getting groiny with Spike just seems unbelievable and makes me feel uncomfortable. I have read some good Giles/Ethan though. I love the darkness in their relationship. 

Personally, Guffy only seems to really work post NFA. Before that it would be hard to dispose of the pedophilia vibe. I only read Spawn when needing an angst fix or something dark and twisted.

The paths you can take with that pairing are amazing.

Spoyce, Spawn and Spander have to be my least favourite pairings. On the other hand Bander can be quite good and even hot. Angelus throwing his weight around...

*sighs* oh the possibilities

Feb 15 2007 11:50 pm   #21Guest

I don't normally jump in on these threads, but...

I'll read most pairings, but Spawn tends to disturb me. Anything with Riley is nasty (particularly Spiley.  I mean, even the <i>name</i> is nasty).  Also, I don't like Buffy ending up with either Xander or Angel, which is odd, because I do enjoy S/B/A.  ::

But honestly, if it's got Spike, and it's well-written, I'll probably give it a whirl.

-pretty_in_fangs (lowly reader)

Feb 16 2007 12:26 am   #22ZoeGrace

awwwww.  *pets the lowly reader* We heart all our readers.

(sorry, I'm a wee bit loopy right now, I'm on hormones and i'm feeling a wee bit high.)

Feb 16 2007 12:32 am   #23Guest

:sniff:  That's so sweet.

-pretty_in_fangs

Feb 16 2007 12:50 am   #24Diabola

While I don't like/read a lot of pairings (I'm a very boring person, I don't like Spike or Buffy with anyone but each other), I wouldn't say they "squick" me out. Mostly I simply don't like them or don't think they are believable. Esp when a character I think of as completely straight is written into a slash relationship, because believe it or not, there are those of us who aren't bi. (Nothing against slash, but there are characters where I just don't buy it, no matter how well done - just like I don't really buy Tara in a het relationship.)

So yeah, the only pairings where the mere thought makes me go "ewww", are Buffy/Giles, Buffy/Joyce, Buffy/Dawn and Joyce/Dawn. I mean, yeah, I've seen incest fics that were quite good, but those are AU fics where the author took two characters and made them relatives - it's just words, they don't "feel" like relatives to me.

Something else that really squicks me out, although that's not a pairing as much as a situation, is when someone has a relationship/sex with a person who once upon a time had sex with the mother/father/daughter/son of that someone. I just, no, doesn't matter how it came about, the thought of sleeping with someone who had sex with my mom is almost enough to make me lose my lunch.

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has limits." - Albert Einstein
Feb 16 2007 01:45 am   #25Guest

Well, I don't read slash, and any incest pairings are majorly off limits. The thought of Giles and Buffy is majorly ewwww! And I can't really believe Spike/Joyce or Spike/Dawn. No romance there at all.

I'm Spuffy all the way. Other of the girls could technically work with him...but it just feels wrong. "Off" is really a better word. I like Spara friendships, but when it goes beyond that, I have to check out.

An exception is when the author gets me mad enough at Buffy, that putting anyone else with Spike is looking like a fantstic idea, LOL. But everybody's been engineered into that certain position, so....

And I can write Spike/OC all day, but I can't read someone else's. Again...stuck on the Spuffy.

Caro Mio

Feb 16 2007 02:08 am   #26The Space Between

Gah! Dia! People really write incest fics with Buffy/Dawn/Joyce?!?

 

*gak*

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Feb 16 2007 02:18 am   #27Diabola

I'm afraid there is no pairing out there that hasn't been written.

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has limits." - Albert Einstein
Feb 16 2007 03:21 am   #28ZoeGrace

Dia, there are people who aren't bi?   

What about...Andrew/Caleb?

Feb 16 2007 03:22 am   #29Scarlet Ibis

I don't hate it when they pair up Spike with Joyce, and then make him hook up with Buffy.  One or the other.  God, I saw a Spiley once, and just the summary alone made me want to vomit.  Basically, Riley rapes him repeatedly...  And oh- the icons.... Hurl.

Buffy/Giles, Riley/anyone, Drusilla/Buffy, Spander, Spiles... not into femme slash.  But if done right, I absolutely LOVE Spangel, or Spawn.  Sorry guys, I've seen a couple of fics where the author nailed it.  I've also seen some that made me go "Eww," and I didn't finish them.

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Feb 16 2007 03:47 am   #30Spikez_tart

I'm squicking at all these disgusting pairings but the worst, the absolute bottom scraping, no hoper, hurl green vomit pairing is Conner and Cordelia, and you know I'm right. 

Spawn and Spander are major disgusting too.

If we want her to be exactly she'll never be exactly I know the only really real Buffy is really Buffy and she's gone' who?
Feb 16 2007 07:18 am   #31LadyYashka

"Gah! Dia! People really write incest fics with Buffy/Dawn/Joyce?!?"

Gah! Is right! A few years ago on a mailing list I'm on someone posted a Joyce/Buffy smut fic. There was no warning so I read some of it. Luckily I didn't get far. It was just nasty. 

Other pairings I hate are Spander, Buffy/Giles, and Riley. Granted I don't like most Xander and Riley pairings. I wonder why?

The Spike/Willow pairing doesn't really squick me, I just don't have any interest in reading it. The same goes with Bangel. I prefer him with Cordy.

 

 

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Feb 16 2007 11:20 am   #32SpikeHot

I also dislike Spike/Mary Sue pairing, what the hell? I hate Mary Sues all together.

Once I found Xander/Snyder now that's creepy.

And whoever wrote Buffy/Dawn/Joyce or Angel/Connor to rot in hell! Disturbing.

Feb 16 2007 02:39 pm   #33Scarlet Ibis

I also don't like when they make Spike and Buffy blood siblings/relatives- that's disgusting.  Even though in canon they aren't related, I don't wanna read incest.

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Feb 16 2007 05:18 pm   #34The Space Between

Ummm...Mary Sue?!?

 

*is so lost*

~*~ The Powers offer no sympathy for the way things are...Human deeds are left in human hands. It's what one does with what's left that makes any difference ~*~ Jenny Calander as created by HollyDB
Feb 16 2007 06:23 pm   #35eve

@TSB I think she meant Original characters.

So what squiks me, mmmh, really not into slash, Spawn gives me shudders, where as Dawn/Xander, when she is older, is kinda ok. Just read a Spawn drabble in which Spike is the one to "make" a woman of her. No graphics, but not my cup of tea *yuck*

No big fan of "mary sues" either. I like my spuffy. Read some good Spoyce and Spara, but I really prefer him with Buffy. Ganya rates high on my list too, same as Willoz, thanks to TSB lovely Oz chronicles.

Feb 16 2007 07:12 pm   #36SpikeHot

Space, a Mary Sue is a female character brought to fiction to repair the damage caused by other characters regarding the author's favorite character. She's usually a reflection of the author herself. A very beautiful and smart woman who's always right and in the end helps other characters to see the truth of their inner demons and make them apologize to the writer's favorite character for all the sins they did to him/her.

I remember a fiction where a Mary Sue, whatever her name was called, comes to the Summers house where all the characters minus Spike were gathered, she analyzes all the characters likes she knows them from birth and prove that Spike is better than them all and they should all apologize to him, even Willow and Tara who never done a thing to Spike, and eventually Spike realizes that Buffy is not worth his attention and falls in love with this perfect Mary Sue.

Here you can find all about Mary Sues:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mary+sue

Feb 16 2007 09:45 pm   #37The Space Between

Ooooh! Thank you SH. See...just goes to show you how sheltered I am still on the whole fanfic thing.

I have people popping up from other communites all over the place joining btvsatsdotcom and I'm like Huh?!? Where?!? I feel so noobish sometimes--especially when I get emails saying I've been nominated someplace and I had no clue that place even existed O.o

And lots of <3 to my Eve!

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Feb 16 2007 10:00 pm   #38eve

Right back at you Space, miss you on the mess *hugs*  Glad to hear the comm is doing good

Feb 17 2007 12:01 am   #39DreamsofSpike

for me, anything incestuous (sisters together, spike/joyce, spike/dawn, buffy/giles, giles/any scooby besides anya, who's not really young) squick me out...i can handle slash pairings with spike if it's believable, other than that very little squicks me...i *love* spara, and some other odd pairings, though spuffy is my favorite

Feb 17 2007 12:28 am   #40The Space Between

I've not been able to figure out what it is and why I randomly sign in and out...its irritating to say the least...I've a more computer friendly friend coming by over the weekend who has promised to take a peek for me.

~*~ The Powers offer no sympathy for the way things are...Human deeds are left in human hands. It's what one does with what's left that makes any difference ~*~ Jenny Calander as created by HollyDB
Feb 17 2007 05:10 am   #41dipole_dipole_attraction

I hate incest-y fics and m/m.  I really only want to see Spike with Buffy and vice versa, but I have a soft spot for Spike/Dru and I read a fic I really liked with Spike/Darla (Lessons on a Ledge by icemink).  Also, a really long time ago I read a Spike/Buffy/Drusilla fic that was interesting.  Sometimes I'll write Bangel, but I HATE reading it.  Spawn just seems really wrong to me, but to each his own I guess.

Something I really want to see (I'm just now watching S3 of Angel) is Angel/Lilah.  I have no idea why.

<----- Also want to say thanks to TSB for the avatar!

Feb 17 2007 06:52 am   #42The Space Between

*grin*

You're welcome. If you check the artwork thread, I posted the link and password for the photobucket account with a TON more icons etc., if you wanna check it out.

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Feb 18 2007 04:21 am   #43GoldenBuffy

Spawn, it's just wrong. I mean look at the freakin name for god's sake. Hello, SPAWN, it's SPAWN. Remember the comic book hero thingy dude from Hell, His name was SPAWN. Need I make that point clear, lol. Spawn is only something created from bad things, like if Chucky and his bride had a kid, it would be the SPAWN. If Jason and Freddy had a kid, it would be their SPAWN. Alien produced SPAWNS. See the full picture here? Am Imaking this clear? Oh yeah, and Spike and Faith cause their to much alike. Everything else I have no problems with. NO SPAWN. I mean seriously, OMFG, WTF? Who the hell in their rght mind like SPAWN.

Oh, thought of some more. No Giles/Buffy, Buffy/Xander, Buffy/Faith, Buffy/Willow (though I've read one really good one), or any other combo with Buffy and a Scoobie. I don't mind mm but it has to be good. I can't stand Spander though, I mean guh. I love Bangelus and Spangel/Spangelus.

OK, Side note, "and recently wrote a really dark squicky Spawn..." Um, Zoe, could I read that dark fic???? Now dark Spawn I don't mind. I like dark Dawn/Angelus too.

And in the air the fireflies
Our only light in paradise
We'll show the world they were wrong
And teach them all to sing along
Feb 18 2007 07:58 am   #44Scarlet Ibis

Has anyone noticed how Spike pretty much makes sense with any female from either show and Angel?   Well, cept for Darla, Kendra (well, maybe he could've taught her to loosen up or something), and some say Spawn, but sorry, I enjoy a good Spawn.  And yes, I'm aware that some think there's no such thing... But Zoe gets it

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Feb 18 2007 01:19 pm   #45SpikeHot

Do you think there's a Spike/Amy fiction around? Tha would be interesting.

Feb 18 2007 01:42 pm   #46Caro Mio

Never seen or heard of any Spike/Amy....but I suppose it could exist!

What If I'm Not the Slayer? now updated with chapters 22 and 23.
Feb 18 2007 02:29 pm   #47The Space Between

 Has anyone noticed how Spike pretty much makes sense with any female from either show and Angel?

That is because they made everyone really complex - most of them had their champion qualities but they also had enough darkness in them to make them believable and more real.

They could all relate on myriad levels--enough to form close friendships or stronger relationships.

For me Spike/Dawn though... I just can't see it going beyond the brother/sister thing. The only way I ever see it is waaaaay down the line when Dawn is like 30 or something and realizes she's kinda aging rather slowly because he latent key powers have kicked in and she's immortal or something of the like and she and Spike hang together after everyone is gone. Even then, for me its still...weird... but in something like that, I could see how it might happen.

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Feb 18 2007 03:16 pm   #48Caro Mio

Yeah, that's the only scenario I could start to believe it in, too.

What If I'm Not the Slayer? now updated with chapters 22 and 23.
Feb 18 2007 05:36 pm   #49Scarlet Ibis

Space, that's true (about them being complex and stuff), but that wouldn't hold true for Angel or Xander... Gunn, Wesley... Riley (vomit)- just Spike (with main female characters- I didn't mean Amy or Ms. Calender).  But I suppose Spike's pretty... I dunno, well rounded?  He kinda covers all areas that make up the other characters- the warrior aspect, demon, bookish, passionate, etc. 

And before you judge Spawn, check out  Theohara's"Two Summers" here:

http://www.livejournal.com/tools/memories.bml?user=theohara&keyword=BtVS:+Two+Summers&filter=all

 

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Feb 18 2007 07:00 pm   #50ZoeGrace

Here is a link to my twisted DARK Spawn, I put that in caps to WARN YOU.  No reading and then bitching. Seriously it's F'd up.   I wrote it to secure my "princess of kink" standing, or at least to put me in the running for P of K.


http://zoegrace.livejournal.com/340478.html


Also, Scarlet, the Spawn link... I usually just like dark Spawn.  If it's PG-13, it's definitely not dark enough for me.

Feb 18 2007 09:48 pm   #51Scarlet Ibis

Aaah... I see, Zoe.  Well, let's just say that link was for the nay sayers.  Here's a very dark NC-17, but very well done, called "let the World Spin" by Wesley's Girl (also has a... Wander?  Wes/Xander).  It's grade A darkness there: http://home.comcast.net/~wesleysgirl/fanfiction/ltws1.html

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Feb 18 2007 10:20 pm   #52ZoeGrace

Thanks! I bookmarked it.

Feb 18 2007 10:24 pm   #53Always_jbj
Has anyone noticed how Spike pretty much makes sense with any female from either show and Angel? Well, cept for Darla

I've read some really fabulous Spike/Darla fics... Icemink, AmyB and Lillianmorgan have all written excellent, and very believable Sparla.

 LOL...and I'm with Space... Spawn makes me shudder...but that is probably because I have always believed that the other half of Dawn's gene pool (come on, if she was made ONLY from Buffy she would be a Buffy!clone) came from Spike...the blue eyes, the cheekbones...the questionable ethics LOL

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But only if you have to 


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Feb 18 2007 10:42 pm   #54ZoeGrace

hahaha always_jbj that IS a good point.  To me that's fanon, like I use it when it suits me and ignore it when it doesn't.  Obviously when I write or read Spawn I'm not on the thought train of "She's in some mystical sense his daughter" cause.  ewwww.  Few things squick me, but incest does.  Although I didn't really mind "Flowers in the Attic", the brother/sister thing, but it was a VERY extreme circumstance and I could understand why they were drawn to each other like that.  It was in some sense emotional survival.  And certain situations make things okay that would never otherwise be okay...you know, like eating other people if you get snowed in.

Feb 18 2007 11:40 pm   #55GoldenBuffy

Zoe I just read your fic, loved it. Very dark and good. Wants more, lol.

Always you know I think that maybe a reason why normal Spawn makes me go "gah". I alwyas felt the monks used both Buffy and Spike. As for incest fics in gen, they have to be writen well. I liked the Victorian one with Spike/Tara and "The Attic" over at SR. Both are good.

Scarlet I'm going to give the fic you posted a try, see if I can read and like it. I'll let you know.

And in the air the fireflies
Our only light in paradise
We'll show the world they were wrong
And teach them all to sing along
Feb 19 2007 12:06 am   #56Diabola

Funny thing about Spike/Dawn: Whether or not the monkes used him in creating her doesn't matter to me; my problems with incest-fic don't have anything to do with genetics, they have to do with people growing up thinking of someone as their brother/mother/sister/father. In s5 and the beginning of s6 Dawn seemed to see him as a kind of big brother figure, so the pairing has very high squick potential for me.

On the other hand, brother and sister who grew up seperately and never even know of the others existance, that's much less squicky - although I would hope they will have enough common sense not to try and reproduce.

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has limits." - Albert Einstein
Feb 19 2007 01:40 am   #57ZoeGrace

GB Thanks! If I ever write another Spawn I'll let you know.  It was just a dirty little plot bunny that wouldn't let go.

Dia, I get some of the squick factor there.  I don't think I could see Spike and Dawn really together from Canon where they had become like brother and sister.  I usually like dark Spawn where they never had that brother/sister vibe going.



Feb 19 2007 01:49 am   #58The Space Between

Princess. Of. Kink.

 

That's our Zoe! =)

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Feb 19 2007 01:58 am   #59ZoeGrace

Feb 19 2007 05:30 am   #60GoldenBuffy

You're welcome Zoe.

Dia, I agree mostly with you. But again, if someone has written the story well and developed the plot then I could buy it. I mean with brother/sister growing up together then getting it on. But I draw the line at Father/daughter mother/son, uck. Megan and Tam are writing a good one where Spike is Buffy's uncle and his brother is Giles. Very good.

And in the air the fireflies
Our only light in paradise
We'll show the world they were wrong
And teach them all to sing along
Feb 19 2007 05:49 am   #61Scarlet Ibis

I absolutely for no reason at all can read incest fics/stories- I might as well be reading bestiality.  Gross, gross and more gross. I love dark, just not that kind.

However, I'll go with the idea of Dawn being made out of Spike and Buffy when it suits me, otherwise, I can deal with a Spawn, cause there are som really good ones out there (Zoe, I just got home, gonna read yours soon as I'm done here).  Oh, and I've read a drabble where Dawn was made out of Buffy and Faith- cause hello, two active Slayers.  Taller than Buffy, dark hair (though that still doesn't explain the blue eyes...).  In one of my fics, I made her the daughter of Joyce and Giles.  Meh.

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Feb 19 2007 06:09 am   #62Scarlet Ibis

Zoe, you naughty girl... Didn't expect that ending.  Well done.

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Feb 19 2007 05:02 pm   #63ZoeGrace

hahaha thank you!

Feb 28 2007 01:54 am   #64Dead Man Walking

Oh God. SPAWN makes me want to hurl. Spander and Spangel/us too. Call me old fashioned, but i like my Spike with Buffy.


I must say i feel horrible knowing that i've made a Mary Sue. More in the way of her being a new character than the falling-in-love-with-Spike part, but she does have a heart-to-heart with Buffy which spurrs her (Buffy) on to profess her true feelings to Spike.


That's not so bad, right? Right?

Feb 28 2007 07:35 am   #65GoldenBuffy

Nah, I don't think it's that bad, lol.

OMG, beastiality, um, ewwwww. That's just NASTY. *runs from the room screaming*

And in the air the fireflies
Our only light in paradise
We'll show the world they were wrong
And teach them all to sing along
Feb 28 2007 10:26 pm   #66Eowyn315

I don't really like Buffy w/ anyone but Spike, but the only really squicky one is Buffy/Giles. I don't really like anyone with Giles, except Joyce or Anya. Oh, and Buffy/Faith squicks me out too. And incest gets a blanket squick.

Spawn is squicky unless it's a future fic where Dawn is older - usually one of those scenarios where Buffy's dead and those two stayed together. Dawn/Xander doesn't bother me though.

I can easily read Spike paired with just about anyone - though obviously I have my preferences. I will confess to a weakness for well-done Spangel stories... but I generally dislike B/S/A. I just can't see them sharing.

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Feb 28 2007 11:53 pm   #67Scarlet Ibis

I don't like threesomes either- even if it's like a Spike and a past/present Spike, or AU Spike or William- it's too weird.  And GB, I meant that incest fics (IMO) are worse than bestiality fics, and bestiality fics are horrendous in general.  I stay away from both.  A Spander might "squick" me, but those other two are absolutely intolerable.  Nice icon, btw.

And Eowyn- a Buffy/Giles is awful- too close to sounding like incest, him being a father figure and all.  And their combined names would be Biles... Gross.

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Mar 01 2007 01:23 am   #68Eowyn315

Heh, pretty good rule of thumb - if the combined name squicks you out, the pairing probably ain't gonna do much better. Biles, Biley, Spawn... I'm sure that's why Spuffy works so well... the name's just so cute!

Writing should feel easy, like a monkey driving a speed boat.
Mar 01 2007 03:15 am   #69GoldenBuffy

Scarlet I hear ya. Not all incest fics I like, 'cause the majority are just ewww. But only a ew I like, and they are Spuffy, and really, I can't see them as brother and sister even if written as such. Glad you like the icon, lol.

Eowyn I agree, SPAWN, clearly wrong. Though I have read some dark Spawn that I like. Biles, ewww, it's just wrong. Not 'cause of the father daughter thing going on, it's just gross. I can't see them together at all. Giles belongs only with Joyce or Anya. hee hee hee

And in the air the fireflies
Our only light in paradise
We'll show the world they were wrong
And teach them all to sing along
Mar 09 2007 06:33 am   #70Dead Man Walking

SPAWN and BILEY are wayyy the worst names.

Like, SPAWN! Spawn of Satan, Spawn of Micheal Jackson and Tim Cruise.

and BILEY! its like, bile! Also Biles. thats closer. they're all squicky. 

Not really a squick, but an intense i-wanna-kick-whoever-invented-this's- arse way, is Killow. Kennedy+Willow. Like, look at name. Kill/ow. Kill. Ow. Bloody hell, people! What about Willedy? thats nice...r.

Mar 09 2007 07:13 am   #71Scarlet Ibis

Nah- stick with Killow cause that pairing in general in an abomination.  I'd rather have her hook up with Xander than that Skanky McSkank.  Eww.

Oh, and Riley/Anybody makes me wanna heave

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Mar 09 2007 10:05 am   #72ZoeGrace

Spawn is YUMMY.

(hehe sorry, couldn't help stirring it up.

Mar 09 2007 11:19 am   #73SpikeHot

Am I a bad Spuffy fan for enjoying Spangel and Spander? I can't help it but I like to read Spike with different male characters but I don't want him with any woman who's not Buffy. I guess I'm still a loyal Spuffy fan, right?

Mar 09 2007 01:15 pm   #74LadyYashka

"Am I a bad Spuffy fan for enjoying Spangel and Spander?"

Nope. I love Spike/Angel. I have a weakness for reading fics were Buffy realises she's lost both Spike and Angel to each other. 

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Mar 09 2007 02:15 pm   #75SpikeHot

I'm relieved. I think Spike is better with Buffy honestly because that's what we saw on screen and it's easier to imagine and take the fiction seriously. However, I have read a bunch of well written Spike/Angel and Spike/Xander fiction that I'm afraid I'd slip away... I guess it's the new ideas and the new plots which are not that different from Spuffy so that's a big reason I was drawn to these two slash pairings.

Mar 09 2007 04:23 pm   #76Scarlet Ibis

I love Spuffy on paper, as well as a well written Spangel.  However, Spangel on screen just had more chemistry.  It's weird, but they did, and it wasn't so dark and angsty, and I LOVED it.  And I don't see how a Spander is even possible- maybe on Xander's end if he were drunk and single, and that's *maybe*, but I don't see Spike seriously going for that under any circumstance.  And Spiley?  What sick mind thought of that?  I don't understand...

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Mar 09 2007 06:48 pm   #77SpikeHot

I know what you mean about Spander. It is hard to imagine, but I've read some convincing fiction and I liked it, it also helps that I'm starting to like Xander after hating him for so long. It was like I'm Spike in Spander, slowly discovering the good in Xander, that's refreshing since most of the fiction I've read, mostly Spuffy, try to show me how much of an asshole he is.

As for Spiles, no way I'm reading that. I can see the attraction of two English men hitting it off, but still.

Mar 09 2007 09:58 pm   #78GoldenBuffy

Ok, Spike and Riley is just WRONG. As for Spike and Xander, really I can't buy it. I've read some good Spander fixs, but they just don't work for me. Maybe Xander with Angelus in some twisted way, but Spike, nah. I do love Spangel though, and Spangelus. I heart that. And I agree, they had a good mix on tv. Way better than Spike and Buffy, but I just count that up to them knowing each other longer, going through more things. And then in S5 they both were more mature than they were 100 years ago.

And in the air the fireflies
Our only light in paradise
We'll show the world they were wrong
And teach them all to sing along
Mar 10 2007 12:51 am   #79ZoeGrace

Now I want to write Spriley just to be disturbing and contrary.

Mar 10 2007 12:54 am   #80Eowyn315

Scarlet, you're so right about the Spangel chemistry... even Joss has said that James had better chemistry with DB than any woman they ever tried to pair with Angel (which is kind of sad, considering three years of BtVS revolved around Angel's not so chemical relationship w/ Buffy). Of course, James Marsters has great chemistry with a brick wall. The man has talent.

I adore Spangel - as friends, as enemies, as "strictly about the sex" partners, and as lovers. And it's so easy to make it plausible, because the slashy subtext was practically breaking the surface at times on the show.

Writing should feel easy, like a monkey driving a speed boat.
Mar 10 2007 01:16 am   #81Guest
I agree with Eowyn to a point about Spangel - it was obvious that they had chemistry but I still don't want to read anything with Spike/Angel(us) sex. Anything with Xander/Spike and Xander/Buffy is just icky. I don't mind Xander with others, well except slash because I generally don't read slash, but with them I just don't see it. Rose
Mar 10 2007 01:43 am   #82Scarlet Ibis

Spikehot- I meant with Riley. :barf:  Giles?  Never heard of a Spike and Giles, and that just would make the sense that's not- ever.  I've seen Spike/Wesley pairing, but I didn't bother to read it because I couldn't fathom that either.

Zoe, please don't add to the abomination that is Spriley- god, I'd just die!!

Eowyn- Amen on the Spangel.  I <3 them in any form.  Anyone with a link to some good Spangel, send it my way.

Rose, though I haven't had the chance to read it yet, I've been seeing some... Lander?  Xarry?  fics out there.  I read a short one, and though it wasn't completely well done, the story line made sense.  I could see Xander being gay with Larry, and maybe Angelus, but that's it for Xander being with a guy (that makes any sense anyway, IMO).

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Mar 10 2007 02:20 am   #83Dead Man Walking

Which sick minded SOB thought up Spiley?

I want their name and rank. And a pistol.

Mar 10 2007 02:49 am   #84diceCanntCry

While Spuffy is my all-time favorite, B/S/A fics are a VERY close second.  The only other pairing I read on a regular pairing is Spawn,  but only A/U's  where Buffy is already dead, never had a fling with Spike or doesn't exist.

My only real squicks are Spiley & Spiles.  Other pairings don't really 'squick' me, but I don't like seeing Spike with anyone else.

Mar 10 2007 01:02 pm   #85SpikeHot

I guess I'm the only one who likes Spander here. It's fine since it's popular somewhere else. I have been reading a rewrite of season 7 but Spander style 

Most of my favorite Spander fiction are set in season 4 where both Xander and Spike are outsiders and looked down on. Of course, most of those have Anya out of the picture by having her dump Xander to discover the world, discover he's gay then dump him, or the popular 'she never came back when she ran away in season 3.

Scarlet, Spike and Riley? That's a little too disturbing. I haven't seen a fiction with Spike/Riley, does anyone have a link? I'm curious.

Mar 10 2007 04:37 pm   #86Scarlet Ibis

Spikehot- The only one I can think of (though  I don't have the link) Is one that starts as a Spawn, but evolves into an involutary Spriley because Spike is kidnapped by the returned Initiative, and Riley (and other Initiative guys) sees fit to rape and abuse him (It's by Ariel Dawn, though I don't remember the title of the fic).  A lot of the Sprileys, it seems, involves Riley raping Spike, because Spike cannot defend himself, and Riley keeps pushing that envelope of darkness... Oh god, a disturbing plot bunny just entered my head...

 Anyway, we all know a sane (or insane Spike) would never go there.  I'm sure if you did a search on fanfic, or adult fic, or at athenwolf.com/justrewards, you'll find a sick Spriley that you're looking for

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Mar 10 2007 07:48 pm   #87GoldenBuffy

Is this the fic you're talking about? End Before Begeinning

And in the air the fireflies
Our only light in paradise
We'll show the world they were wrong
And teach them all to sing along
Mar 10 2007 08:03 pm   #88DreamsofSpike

that's odd, cause i just went to that fic and didn't see anything in it at all about riley....dawn goes back in time to way before riley was ever in the picture .... hmm....maybe it's a different fic?

Mar 10 2007 11:37 pm   #89GoldenBuffy

I don't know I haven't started reading it yet. It's the only one that I saw by AD with Dawn and Spike, so I figured it but be the fic Scarlet was talking about.

And in the air the fireflies
Our only light in paradise
We'll show the world they were wrong
And teach them all to sing along
Mar 11 2007 09:19 am   #90Guest

Uh...hello.

Previous posts have piqued my curiosity...um (really stupid question) what is "Darkfic"?

I'm not asking anyone to write me a ten page report or anything, but if someone could give me a general idea/definition of what to expect before I dive on in, I would appreciate it.  Thank you. ~asr

(Oh, and to add something that's actually relevant:  I cannot bring myself to read Wesley/Willow, no matter the author.)

Mar 11 2007 09:42 am   #91Guest

"Dark" can be anything perverted in the evil sense, or really hard on the characters, or having lots of twisted evil bad guys making everything awful for the good guys, or sexually twisted in a way that 's not healthy and enjoyed by both parties. There can be torture, death, rape.....

or be all about dark thoughts.

Mar 11 2007 10:11 am   #92Scarlet Ibis

GB- I made a mistake, it was actually sexy mermaid who wrote it.  It's called "Forbidden," and you can find it here: http://www.livejournal.com/tools/memories.bml?user=sexymermaid&keyword=Forbidden&filter=all

Oh, and there's this awesome Wesley/Willow fic  where it's after s6, and at the time where Wesley was "exiled."  Instead of Willow going to England with Giles, she exiles herself, performing a forgetting spell... It's really sweet and terribly well done.  I thought that Shadowlass had written it, but I couldn't find it at her site...  Wesley and Willow works for me.

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Mar 11 2007 11:18 pm   #93daniel_nieves

pairings that squick me? For one I hate Riley so if he's in a fic and has any serious romance it bothers me. Spillow doesn't get the job done for me, but I have read a really good Spara fic on fanfiction.net. Spangel, Spiles, or Spander for me are not so mixy. But that's just me. I've never read a Sparla fic, but oddly enough my very first Spuffy fic had some Sparla scenes, it was pretty freaking twisted. Spike/OC, depends on the fic. And Biles, that just makes me wanna bash my head into the land that is unconsciousness.

Spuffy peed on Angel...
Mar 12 2007 07:51 am   #94GoldenBuffy

Thanks Scarlet. Right now I'm reading the fic by here where Spike is a slave and Angel is his master I think it takes place in Pompei. I think its good. I love Spangel. <3

And in the air the fireflies
Our only light in paradise
We'll show the world they were wrong
And teach them all to sing along
Mar 12 2007 07:53 am   #95ClawofCat

While I'm not new to the fandom, I am new to writing fic and I've been generally surprised to see the hard lines that a lot of people draw concerning what they will and won't read. I'm primarily a Spuffy shipper, but for me it's mostly about Spike and I pretty much adore him with any other female character. I'm not a huge fan of slash, but have certainly read convincing Spander and Spangel stories that I've enjoyed. I like to be open about pairings because often a writer really will surprise you. I recently just wrote a Spawn fic and really grappled over making the situation plausible and emotionally true to characters. Giving yourself a good challenge can be a lot of fun.

I can't honestly think of any pairings that really disturb me on principle. I'm more put off by the content of stories, like slave, torture, sub/dom, or hardcore kink fics. Angst is a beautiful thing and emotional suffering leaves so many doors to explore, but sexual violence perpetrated consentually or, more often than not in slash, unconsentually really disturbs me. That's just my two cence.

Mar 12 2007 01:21 pm   #96Scarlet Ibis

No problem, GB

ClawofCat- Spawn?  Um.... where?

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Mar 13 2007 02:06 am   #97ClawofCat

Scarlet -

You can read my Spawn story on my LJ http://clawofcat.livejournal.com/905.html#cutid1

I would love some feedback. I have no idea where to post it, hence not many people have seen it. Are there any decent archive sites for that pairing? Pretty much everything I know features Spuffy.

Mar 13 2007 02:23 am   #98Scarlet Ibis

There's summerofspawn and spike/dawn on livejournal.  Oh- here's a new site for Spawn: http://community.livejournal.com/spikedawn/

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Mar 13 2007 03:29 am   #99ZoeGrace

scarlet ibis, but I want to.  I want to write SPILEY.  YUMMMMMMMM

muahahahahahahaha

okay, saying that is like saying human fingers are yummy.  *stops*

Mar 13 2007 04:53 am   #100GoldenBuffy

Zoe, you're being naughty in the so not fun kind of way. I'm thinking your huby needs to tighten that belt of his, lol. I can e-mail him a list of punishments for you. *giggles*

Please save the world do not write a Spiley, that's a crime against humanity.

And in the air the fireflies
Our only light in paradise
We'll show the world they were wrong
And teach them all to sing along
Mar 13 2007 05:12 am   #101ZoeGrace

hahaha he has a list. 

What? You thought he was unprepared?

Mar 13 2007 05:57 am   #102GoldenBuffy

hee hee hee, no, never. He's good.

And in the air the fireflies
Our only light in paradise
We'll show the world they were wrong
And teach them all to sing along
Mar 14 2007 08:19 pm   #103cereza

Personally, I don't read Buffy/Riley or Buffy/Xander, 'cos I don't like Riley and I don't see Buffy and Xander together - but to say that those pairings 'squick me' is an over statement. Pairings that 'do' squick me are Buffy/Giles, Spike/Joyce and Spike/Dawn - probably 'cos I consider those relationships to be more 'parental' than 'love affairs'. I just don't think it's likely to happen, like Spike/Willow or Spike/Tara - they turned out to be 'gay', for God's sake!

And I can't stand slash in any form - even if the fic's author is the second Proust (okay, don't tell how much you don't like Proust - it's an example).

"People," Geralt turned his head, "like to invent monsters and monstrosities. Then they seem less monstrous themselves. (...) They find it easier to live."
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Mar 15 2007 04:30 pm   #104pfeifferpack

With good writing and characters that are true to what we saw onscreen (and the time and place, etc.).  I can see most pairings without weirding out EXCEPT.....Spike and Riley (unless it is non con on Spike's part and not out of love on Riley's).  or Spike and Xander in any form.  I think it is because I just cannot see Riley or Xander ever being the object of Spike's affection and he tends to only have "relationships" (Harmony was not a relationship) with people he loves...he's a romantic in my mind and not just all about the sex.  Just can't see it.


I can see Spawn with future Dawn and Buffy long out of the picture in some way.  I can see Spara when Buffy is out of the way and they emphasize it is the emotions that lead to the physical (cause, hey, she's gay but if she fell in love with Spike.....).  Only Giles/Buffy if Buffy is an adult already.  

Last but not least.....I cannot believe in any Bangel past Angel moving on after he moved to LA.  I don't think that couple would have outlasted Buffy's early college even without the curse problem (they just did not have a true view of the other and did not bring out the best in each other).  I think they would have eventually broken up when they took off the rose colored glasses so any post S5 Bangel feels forced to me.


I think that's all really.  I can see Buffy trying it with lots of people but only Spike brought out the best in her and was her proper long term relationship IMHO.  I  can see Spike with most anyone male or female (human or demon) if he were to love them and if Buffy were completely out of the picture.  I just don't see him "moving on" as long as Buffy exists though.  I can't see Tara with a male other than Spike or maybe Oz.  Still in the hands a great writer I can handle any except the first two I mentioned in this post.

Kathleen

Mar 15 2007 04:53 pm   #105DreamsofSpike

i agree with most of what kathleen just said, actually...

I can see Spike with just about anybody under the right circumstances, but those circumstances would have to include a.) Buffy being dead; or b.) Buffy crossing a line so extreme that it absolutely kills his love for her, or if not kills it, lets him know that he can't be with her anymore

In Spara fics I've written, I've gone for the second option (obviously ) because I agree, Spike would have a very hard time moving on, possibly even if Buffy *was* dead -- as we saw in the beginning of Season Six.

I don't care much for slash as a general rule, but there are some pairings that are believable to me...the only ones I could absolutely not see would be Spike/Riley (unless it's non-con, as stated before)...as for the m/f ships, I can't see him with Dawn unless she's an adult, or with Joyce -- I mean, ew! That seems almost worse to me than with Dawn for some reason...I know it doesn't make sense, but...*eww*!

the only ones that truly squick me though are ones involving family members, and Spike/Joyce...other than that I'm pretty much good with reading any ship as long as the writer can pull it off...and i think it all comes down to the skills of the writer, because a really excellent writer can make you believe and even enjoy *almost* any pairing....whereas a less experienced/talented writer might write excellent canon ships, but not be able to bring about believable other ships....

i don't know, i'm rambling now -- but I think it mostly comes down to the writer in question

Mar 15 2007 07:16 pm   #106GoldenBuffy

You know now that I th ink about and yes I've read some good Spawn (Zoe's,) it icks me out to know that after bumping Buffy he could go there and touch Dawn. That's just wrong, and nasty, and ewww. Same with Joyce. I mean their sisters and mother for pet's sake. I can't see that happening just to nasty.

And in the air the fireflies
Our only light in paradise
We'll show the world they were wrong
And teach them all to sing along
Mar 15 2007 10:58 pm   #107Scarlet Ibis

Now that I think about it, the only Spawn's that I've read thus far always involve pre Spuffy sex- either Buffy stays dead, or it goes off canon and someone leaves and Spike and Dawn meet again down the road.  As for Spara, "Soft" didn't go either way as far as Spike being abused or Tara being harassed, but they just become friends in season 6, and the only person who they can confide in is each other, and they progress from there.  It seemed utterly natural.

I've read only one semi Spoyce (though it was all human- "Older" by Nauti bitz), and yea, it was gross because Spike was like sharing... And as far as I'm concerned, Joyce belongs with Giles.  And a Biles is NEVER okay- he's her (non biological) father, for crissakes.  He doesn't always make the right call, but her dad nevertheless.

Riley/anybody is never okay, and neither is Spander- Spike just wouldn't go for it... The only guy that Spike could or did have a relationship was Angel(us), and that's the only one that makes sense.

I could see a potential Spillow, only not really because they only would've made sense in s4, but by then, he was already infatuated with Buffy (even if he didn't acknowledge it), so it would be too late for them.

And I don't see Giles or Wes being gay with Spike or with each other.  It just makes the sense that's not, and I don't care about their dualities or the fact that they're Brits and intelligent- they could be friends, and that's as far as it goes for me.

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Mar 16 2007 06:56 pm   #108pfeifferpack
A truly gifted writer can make the most unbelievable couple one to root for of course. I offer as the best example the story "Merry Sport" by the incomprable Speakr2customrs. I would never have believed I'd love (and want more of the story of) Joyce and Olaf the trollgod!....Oh yeah, it all falls to the writer. As for Giles, I think he's hetro but I totally buy Ripper/Ethan Rayne matchups. Kathleen
Mar 16 2007 10:16 pm   #109Scarlet Ibis

Well, I read a Wes/Xander once, and it made sense and I enjoyed reading it... It was in "Let the World Spin" by Wesley's Girl.  I still don't see Giles being gay with anybody though.

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Mar 16 2007 10:39 pm   #110Eowyn315

ROTFL at Joyce/Olaf... er, Jolaf? Must read that one... 

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Jun 15 2007 07:07 pm   #111Guest

Spuffy's my favorite, but I'll pretty much read any pairing with Spike in it. Except for him with Giles cause that's just blech. The pairing I truly don't like is Bangel.

Jun 15 2007 07:20 pm   #112Guest

Spuffy's my favorite, but I'll pretty much read any pairing with Spike in it. Except for him with Giles cause that's just blech. The pairing I truly don't like is Bangel.

Jun 15 2007 09:38 pm   #113chlarkspuffy

I stay clear of slash and incestuous pairings. It pisses me off when there's even a hint of it and no warning. 

As for pairings that don't fall into those categories, I am 'squicked' by Buffy/Xander, Spike/Willow, Spike/Tara, and Angel/Willow. I consider any pairing with Giles (save Anya and Joyce) and with Dawn incestuous since the former is essentially a father figure to the other characters and the latter is like a sister. 

The one pairing I would love to read (and would have loved to see develop onscreen) is Spike/Fred. That relationship had potential if built slowly, say over a couple of seasons. Fred was the kind of girl who have treated Spike well.

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Jun 19 2007 02:13 am   #114Guest

I really hate bangel. Never could stand it, even before Spike came along. And I know this is completely off topic, but has any one else noticed the lack of Bangel fanfiction archives there are out there? I was looking for curiosities sake, and I found virtually none. It just seems to me that Spuffy is the more popular pairing for fanfiction.

Jun 19 2007 03:01 am   #115slaymesoftly

Have never gone looking for Bangel archives because who wants to read it? LOL  But I know they are out there.  I believe Spuffy lovers do outnumber them by a lot though. (Or maybe we're just louder and write more? LOL)

The only other person I know in RL who is a Buffy fan turned out to be a Bangel.  She was very disappointed in me when my son told her I was a Spuffy -and vice versa. LOL

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I am upper management.
Jun 19 2007 03:03 am   #116Scarlet Ibis

Actually, I'm fairly certain that Spuffy fan fic in general outnumbers all other fan fic.  Check the numbers at fanfic.net and aff.net- we Spuffy shippers out number all other shippers. Period.

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Jun 19 2007 03:04 am   #117Scarlet Ibis

Actually, I'm fairly certain that Spuffy fan fic in general outnumbers all other fan fic.  Check the numbers at fanfic.net and aff.net- we Spuffy shippers out number all other shippers. Period.

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Jun 19 2007 03:06 am   #118chlarkspuffy
"has any one else noticed the lack of Bangel fanfiction archives there are out there? I was looking for curiosities sake, and I found virtually none. It just seems to me that Spuffy is the more popular pairing for fanfiction."

It have the same impression given the comparative dearth of Bangel fanfic. Spuffy lives! Can't say I am squicked by Bangel although the Angel-bashing in Spuffy fanficdom has managed to sour me on the couple.

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Apr 02 2008 05:38 pm   #119Guest
i like spike/oc that ain't mary-sued and spuffy that are realistic
Apr 02 2008 06:36 pm   #120lostboy
How come I never see any Spanya?  Those two actually did the deed, and nobody even blinked.  In fact, you rarely see her in any pairing.  It seems nuts how little that chick turns up in porno fic,  considering how randy she was.

Yeah baby!  
Apr 02 2008 06:51 pm   #121Guest
I've read a few Spike/Anya fanfics over at Fonts of Wisdom.
Apr 03 2008 03:51 am   #122nmcil
the Angel-bashing in Spuffy fanficdom has managed to sour me on the couple.

Yes, if you don't like Angel and his actions in the series - write a good story to deal with your feelings and ideas about the character - Angel and Riley have such muck written about them. 
” Recent evolutionary models have demonstrated what politicians have long known: the best way to get people to collaborate and to think like a group is to identify an enemy and charge that “they” threaten “us.”

Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Apr 03 2008 04:05 am   #123Legen
Angel and Riley have such muck written about them
that's just cause spuffy was so freakin' awesome they(angel & riley) were blown outa the water.
i think that spike and faith would have been real good together. that would be a very rough relationship, probly with alot of break ups and knock down drag out's(cause any fight that they would have as a slayer and a vamp would totally turn physical, that's just in their blood) but i think if they could both work through their insecurities together, they would be a very formitable ship.
i don't really go for anything that's not spuffy, i don't have that much time so i stick with stuff i know i'm gonna like.
Your heart will break, your tears will fall, but don't be suprised, if there is someone there, to catch you when you fall. Becuase you, yes you, are awesome.
Apr 03 2008 04:29 am   #124Guest
I love Spike. I'm pretty much a fan of him being with anyone lucky enough for him to love them. That would mean no Harm or meaningless sex.  The only problem with that I have is when he has sex with Dawn when she is way too young for him.  Also, Giles/Buffy because of the father-daughter relationship cuz I've read a few good fics with Giles/Willow or Giles/Anya or Giles/Tara, etc.. Personal preference, I'm squicked by slash, though I know a lot of people aren't.
Apr 03 2008 05:34 am   #125ghost writer
I like Spike with just about anyone, even original characters and possibly a decently written Mary Sue *blush*, but NOT Riley!  Riley with anyone just makes me wanna hurl!    I'll read just about anything once, it was curiosity that made me check out James Walkswithwind's slash fics over at gila's cave.  They're actually really good.  I don't like Buffy/Xander or Buffy/Angel(us) unless Spike is involved, I've seen some good Spara and Spillow and yes, even Spawn.  I've read Spiles too but it just seemed wrong to me.
Let's see... no Riley, no incest (even if they're not really related, just have a family dynamic) and I think that's about it.
~Ghost Writer

If anyone wants to check out Gila's cave, the site is found at http://gila.faking-sanity.net/whedon.html.  I especially like the Domestic Paranha's fics and the Small Fry series.
Apr 03 2008 01:04 pm   #126SpikeHot
I really love Domestic Paranha and Small Fry, the first made me die of laughter while the second was funny and sweet. I especially loved four year old Giles.
Apr 03 2008 03:32 pm   #127Guest
I can read and enjoy Spike with anyone male or female or both. It just has to be well written. Well Spike with anyone except for Xander or Andrew. Mostly because i hate Andrew with a firey passion, and Spike with Xander makes no sense to me. while i do see an attraction on Xander's part (Who ties someone up while you are in your underware) I don't see Spike attracted to Xander. Also I just feel that if you love Spike why would you have him with someone whose hatred of demons has never ever changed.
I don't really like Spike/Angel/Buffy fic, i end up feeling like Spike is the third wheel. Buffy and Angel moved on from each other, so Buffy/Angel doesn't do it for me.  
I hate reading Faith/Wood stories especially if they have the line that 'Wood tamed Faith.' annoys me to bits.
I too would have loved to have seen Spike/Fred season five of ATS, but it was never going to happen, Joss is to much of a Wes/Fred shipper and Spike seemingly is not allowed to have anyone. (Yes i am bitter)
Apr 03 2008 05:45 pm   #128nmcil
I love Spike-Fred , Spike-Dawn, Spike-Tara  but I love them in deep friendships - Spike had one friendship until he gets to Angel.  Having deep friendshipss, is to me more important than seeing him in a romantic relationship with any of these female characters.  I think he a Tara are so wonderful in the stories that pair them together in a deep friendship - they both give and bring so much to each other -

Couples I don't like at all:  Faith-Spike, Spike-Xander, Buffy-Angel-Spike  and the pairing that totally takes me into "hate"  range is Spike-Dawn in any romantic relationship.
” Recent evolutionary models have demonstrated what politicians have long known: the best way to get people to collaborate and to think like a group is to identify an enemy and charge that “they” threaten “us.”

Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Apr 03 2008 08:16 pm   #129Eowyn315
that's just cause spuffy was so freakin' awesome they(angel & riley) were blown outa the water.
But just because you prefer Buffy with Spike doesn't mean you have to villainize her other boyfriends. I think Riley in particular gets way worse than he deserves in a lot of Spuffy fics. I'm not a fan of the character or his relationship with Buffy... but that doesn't mean I want to read about him being an asshole or a villain. I'd rather he not be there at all.
Writing should feel easy, like a monkey driving a speed boat.
Apr 04 2008 01:27 am   #130SpikesKatMac
I'll read anything as long as Spike is a major character, but have to say that Spawn freaks me out.  Too close to incest for my tastes.  Otherwise, it's open market.  As long as the story winds up with somebody loving Spike the way he deserves, I don't care who it is, for the most part.  Probably wouldn't read Spiley, 'cause I detest Riley, and can't see him in anything other than a non-con with Spike, but other than that, some of my favorite fics are Spara, Spander, and Spillow, so, like I said, pretty much anything.
A beautiful and ineffectual angel, beating in the void his luminous wings in vain - Matthew Arnold
Apr 04 2008 02:55 am   #131Spikez_tart
Spawn - if they had children, the children would have split hooves.
If we want her to be exactly she'll never be exactly I know the only really real Buffy is really Buffy and she's gone' who?
Apr 04 2008 07:33 am   #132Guest
But just because you prefer Buffy with Spike doesn't mean you have to villainize her other boyfriends. I think Riley in particular gets way worse than he deserves in a lot of Spuffy fics
but that doesn't mean I want to read about him being an asshole or a villain. I'd rather he not be there at all.
i'm of that same opinion. i didn't really think that their relationship was that bad on the show, and only became aware of the riley hate when i got heavy into fanfics, which wasn't that long ago. i didn't ever think that riley would be the long haul guy, and honestly felt bad for him, cause buffy didn't love him, and there was never the passion that she had with angel, or even with spike before they were an item. i've read some fics that villianize riley and i'm like "he would never do that, he's to good" so but, i just don't particularly care to go out side of my spuffy bubble. things are nice there and i like it. :nod:
Apr 04 2008 11:47 am   #133Lou
Call me old-fashioned but I'm strictly an inveterate Spuffy fan.  I can handle a bit of Spangel if it's a comfort thing  - but any hint of Spawn absolutely turns my stomach.  Anything goes for the rest of the characters.
Apr 04 2008 01:31 pm   #134SpikeHot
Also I just feel that if you love Spike why would you have him with someone whose hatred of demons has never ever changed.

Actually, Xander's views on demons and vampires changed a great deal in season seven. He was far more decent toward Spike than say Dawn and Anya.

Xander and Spike remind me a great deal of Spike and Buffy, I think Spike could be attracted to Xander once he sees beyond the jokes and insecurity. There's a strong, brave and loyal man underneath the baggy clothes, I love it when Spike notices him as like when Xander notices the man underneath the monster. That's why Spike/Xander is an interesting couple when written well.
Apr 04 2008 06:41 pm   #135Guest
I think Spike could be attracted to Xander once he sees beyond the jokes and insecurity.

Spike could never see Xander or any other man in a sexual manner.  Unless it's Angel.  Spander is just too damn OoC for Spike.  But Xander being attracted to Spike--yeah, I could believe that.
Apr 04 2008 11:20 pm   #136Spikez_tart
Xander There's a strong, brave and loyal man underneath the baggy clothes - yes, he is, which is why Xander bashing is so bleh. 

Xander apparently was attracted to Spike - see the scene (S5) in the garage where the gang is holed up trying to avoid Glory.  Spike's hands are bandaged so Xander lights his cigarette, then puts Spike's lighter in his own pants pocket. (Buffy does the same in S6).   And, how exactly did Spike get that lighter back?
If we want her to be exactly she'll never be exactly I know the only really real Buffy is really Buffy and she's gone' who?
Apr 05 2008 12:05 am   #137Eowyn315
Xander apparently was attracted to Spike - see the scene (S5) in the garage where the gang is holed up trying to avoid Glory.
Um, I wouldn't exactly called that attraction. That's just being nice. If you really want to make a case for Xander crushing on Spike, I'd go with his "compact but well-muscled" comment, though I honestly don't see anything between them but grudging acceptance in the friendliest of scenarios.

And, how exactly did Spike get that lighter back?
"Hey, Xander, could I get my lighter back?" works... Do you honestly think he digs through the pockets of everyone who borrows his lighter?
Writing should feel easy, like a monkey driving a speed boat.
Apr 05 2008 12:47 pm   #138SpikeHot

Spike could never see Xander or any other man in a sexual manner.

I think it depends on how we see characters. I think Spike is attracted to strength and power. Dru, Angelus and Buffy were all powerful and admirable figures, all above Spike, and that's why he was obsessed with them, until obsession turned to love. You may disagree with me, but we all have different opinions. 

For once I'd love to read about Spike falling in love with someone who's not strong enough, not fast enough, not looked up to. Someone normal yet always tries to be there for those they love. I really liked the Spike/Fred friendship on Angel the Series and have read some nice fiction related to this pairing.

The Xander/Spike pairing interests me because both parties have to see more than their thick heads allow them. Spike sees Xander as weak and pathetic. Xander seems Spike as a monster. It's nice to lock them both in a room and let them discover more depths into each other. I don't think I'm in it for the slash as much as I enjoy seeing Spike and Xander appreciate each other.  That moment when Xander lights Spike's cigarette is one of my all time favorite Buffy the Vampire Slayer moments.

And, how exactly did Spike get that lighter back?

I once read a story where Xander returns it to Spike. I don't remember where but it was a Xander and Spike friendship short fiction.

 

Apr 05 2008 06:08 pm   #139nmcil
There are some really well written stories with Spike and Xander as lovers - if the story is written with depth and good character development, the pairing does work.  Unfortunately I cannot remember the title or author, but that story of Buffy living through different potential  lives (she is severly injured and can't deal with it) has the pairing and it does work.   The context of the story, mutual love for Buffy's child and their individual suffering, sets a plausible reality.  The cautionary tale that is being shown to Buffy makes a wonderful use of Spike and Xander connecting as people -
” Recent evolutionary models have demonstrated what politicians have long known: the best way to get people to collaborate and to think like a group is to identify an enemy and charge that “they” threaten “us.”

Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Apr 05 2008 09:28 pm   #140SpikeHot
I don't think I've ever read this story, nmcil, but I would love to. My favorite Xander and Spike story is the season five rewrite where Spike wants to avange his shattered pride after Buffy throws him on the floor followed by his money as if he was a whore in Fool For Love. He wanted to use an Angelus method where he was going to break one of Buffy's friends and leave her to collect the broken pieces. He remembered that Xander used to glance at him from time to time where he took off his shirt and then settled on breaking Xander. It was filled of lovely angst, showing both Xander and Spike as stubborn and flawed. My favorite part was how Spike's view of Xander gradually changed from "What a disgusting wanker" into "What an admirable bloke". Same goes with Xander who's development went a little quicker than Spike's, but it's a given that Xander thought Spike was hot.
Apr 05 2008 11:13 pm   #141nmcil
I wish I could remember the title - it's a very sad story - Spike and Xander setting is only one part of her visions - It was a long time ago that I read it.  Hope that someone here can help us - I would like to read it again.  I think we could probably get help at that LJ site for story finding help.  The big clue is that Buffy get injured badly, loss of leg, has a little girl, and is given several visions of possible futures if she doesn't get her life together.
” Recent evolutionary models have demonstrated what politicians have long known: the best way to get people to collaborate and to think like a group is to identify an enemy and charge that “they” threaten “us.”

Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Apr 05 2008 11:26 pm   #142Guest
nmcil I think that is part of one of Herself's Bittersweets series.
Apr 06 2008 12:49 pm   #143SpikeHot
Herself is an excellent writer. The story is surely going to be good if it's written by her.
Apr 06 2008 05:47 pm   #144nmcil
Thanks much for the info Guest -
” Recent evolutionary models have demonstrated what politicians have long known: the best way to get people to collaborate and to think like a group is to identify an enemy and charge that “they” threaten “us.”

Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.