I was just enjoying Buffy vs Dracula this morning (and avoiding doing housework) and asking myself - did that big greasy Dracula take advantage of our sweet, semi-innocent Buffy?  When Buffy first reports her meeting to Giles and the stay at homes, she's doing serious gushing and has this conversation with Riley:

RILEY: You're not just saying that because of those dark penetrating eyes of his, are you?
BUFFY: Noooo, his eyes were -- There were - there was no penetration. Cross my heart.

Later, Drac visits Buffy's bedroom, (Big symbol, Drac mist steaming through Buffy's open window), romance movie wind, sheets ruffling.  (Conversation ensues, Drac sees B's Angel bite)

DRACULA: Unworthy. (Buffy stares at him, looks scared) He let you go. (Looks her in the eyes) But the embrace ... his bite ... you remember.
BUFFY: (uncertain) No.

Dracula caresses her face some more.

DRACULA: Do not fight. (Puts his hand behind her neck) I can feel your hunger.

Dracula bites her and she gasps and not in a THIS HURTS LIKE HELL kind of way and the scene cuts. 

Was there Penetrating?

I never got that impression - although certainly that's what Drac had in mind for her down the road...Never thought about it, though.  Interesting question.

Yes, she does gasp in a sensual way, as do many vampire victims after that first second or so (William with Drusilla, I don't recall Angel...).  However, I think that if he had taken advantage of her by having sex with her too, I think she would've killed him a bit more, and had more indignation (though, did she even really kill him?  Cause it looked like he was just waiting for her to leave so he could rematerialize from his fancy mist).  Or also,  if she had sex with Drac, I think she would've been more... curious about Spike.  Cause in "Out of my Mind," it sounded as if the only thing stopping her from persuing a relationship with Spike was the fact that he annoys her a great deal. Meh.

I agree, SI - if she thought she'd been taken advantage of, she would have put that mist into a bottle and set fire to it! LOL  Drac is famous for his seductive approach and his thrall and I'm sure Buffy was just reacting to that aspect of his bite. 

Hmmm, goes off mumbling to herself. Do I hear plot bunnies? Maybe. Maybe not. Could they have left it up to the fans to decide?

I sure hope it was an emphatic *NO* cause that Dracula clearly needed a thrall to get laid.  He looked all emaciated and dead and unattractive... He actually made Riley look appealing to me, and that's sayin' somethin'.  Mmhmm...

lmao. I actually thought they did a good job of casting Dracula in that episode. The actor bore more than a passing resemblence to Vlad Tepes and to the description in Bram Stoker's book. I mean, Dracula wasn't originally intended to be a physically charming specimen...he got his women by force of will.

That being said, however, I don't think he and Buffy had sex. I think that is probably the goal he was aiming for, and she knew that, hence the defensiveness about "penetration." But I don't think they'd gotten to that point yet.

Oh, not saying that it was bad casting, but Drac= not sexy at all, IMO.  Me no likey...Though the guy in "Dracula 2000" was pretty gosh darn good looking.

I've had to much sugar cause I can't stop giggling, lol. I loved Gary Oldman in Bram Stoker's Dracula. Nummy

That's Gerard Butler in "Dracula 2000" (who happened to star in the movie James just filmed late last year).

I've actually never seen the one with Gary Oldman... but in general, he doesn't do it for me.  Actually, not many sexy guy vamps that I can think of on the silver screen- Excluding "Interview with a Vampire," of course.

Ooh! The guy in "300?" Yay!  I'm gonna go see that... And do you mean the film "P.S. I Love You?"  I only want to see that cause of James, cause before there was talk of a movie, I read in the paper how much a stinking pile of crap that book was.   Also, what happened to that film that James was supposed to have done with... I don't know his name, but he was the red headed guy in "Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship..." and got killed near the end? He was also in "Golden Eye," with the scarred face.  Anybody know what I'm talking about?

Did anyone else notice that the actor that played Drac in the Buffy episode is the same one who played the boyfriend of "Kendall Hart" on "All My Children" when SMG played the part?

That could have been part of the reason for the reaction- they had worked with each other before, and knew how to play off of each other well.

Scarlet, you might mean "Venetian Heat", and that never got off the ground. You're thinking of Sean Bean.

They've changed the movie quite a bit from the PS I Love You book, so there might be a good chance it's good! At least James' part will be.

We're going to try to see "300" in IMAX on Thursday.

Rudolph Martin played Drac. I think I'd heard about the AMC connection.

CM

Golden - joss definitely left it up in the air.  Go for it.

I'm pretty much coming down on the side that something happened.   There's the gasping, the Drac getting in her bedroom thru the window, there's the nervous and guilty looking Buffy the next morning, with her tacky little scarf around her neck, there's Drac reminding her of the scene when Angel bit her - I'm sure she hasn't forgot that little love death scene AND - there's the beginning scene where Buffy is tossing and turning in bed next to Riley.  She has to get up and go kill something to relieve the tension.  Riley Boy just plain hasn't got what it takes for a Slayer.  Maybe it wasn't all the way, but Buffy goes from bragging and boasting and taking it slow, to guilty moping and kill him now.  Yep, I'm liking naughty Buffy for this one. 

This would also explain why the Riley thing falls apart. - You let him bite you - I didn't let him bite me. 

I thought Drac was a greaseball, but I liked the way it was played.  He was scary and sort of mesmerizing. 

i thought Drac was pretty damn good looking! 

his eyes... there was a little penetration there...

 I always thought Joss and Co. cast Rudolf Martin to play Dracula because he was playing the real Vlad Tepes in a movie that aired after the Buffy episode. It was on the USA Network and was called: “Dark Prince: The True Story of Dracula". It aired on Oct. 31, 2000 and the Buffy episode aired Sept.26, 2000. I remember seeing adds for it around the time the Buffy episode aired.

(info.on shows found on IMDb)

I believe SMG once said that the bite from Angel (that merely looked painful to me) was played as orgasmic.  Maybe she was playing the Drac bite as orgasmic too....I think they tried for that with Dru and Spike too.  I know I'd find Spike biting me as orgasmic *G*.   I don't think anything except fangs penetrated although Drac had plans and Buffy was in need a man with a bit of monster in him.

Kathleen

 Yeah, the Angel bite is definitely played as a sexual metaphor (just like everything else on this show, lol). I think Joss (or whoever did the commentary for that ep) mentions it, and comments that it's pretty thinly veiled. I think that may have been the start of the "biting = sex" metaphor... or maybe when Darla bites Angel. Anyway, yeah, definitely a theme, so it doesn't surprise me that the Drac bite was played as orgasmic. But it never occurred to me until this thread that there might have been anything other than biting going on.

I still don't think anything outside of biting happened- Drac seemed pretty set in his ways of doing things in steps.  If some other vamp had Buffy in that position, he wouldn't have done all the mind games and claimed her that night, sealing the deal, and she would've been done for.

The Angel biting scene was sexual- they even slowed it down.  And Darla- she had Liam feed from her chest.  Yup, sexual.  Oh and William- first he put his hand above Dru's breast with his "God yes," she probably jerked him off while she did it.

Ooooo, I missed that one.  Have to get that disk out.

I like the idea of the bite orgasm.  There has to be some reason why the Buffster is looking so Guilty in the next scene. 

We know for a fact that Dracula didn't have sex with Buffy since she said in S6's Entropy to Anya that she has only been with four guys. Angel. Parker. Riley. Spike.

Although Dracula was planning on turning her so she could be his vampire lover.

 If some other vamp had Buffy in that position, he wouldn't have done all the mind games and claimed her that night, sealing the deal, and she would've been done for.

You DO know that claiming isn't canon, right?  

Tash

 she has only been with four guys. Angel. Parker. Riley. Spike.

Right you are Tash.  Still - maybe she did have a biting orgasm which wouldn't constitute sex together.

Well, "claim" in the sense of having sex with her.  Another vamp wouldn't have waited to "hit it" with the Slayer.

I think penetration in this sense is referring to fangs.  Biting has always been a metaphor for sex when it comes to vampires.  I'm sure she had a "bitegasm."  In many vampire stories, even ones in which vampires can have physical sex, being bitten, especially if the victim is allowed to live afterward, is considered much more intimate than sex.  And so there is a valid reason for Buffy freaking out.

I'm sure by Dracula she's beginning to wonder if there is a big neon sign over her head that says: "Vamps eat free after 8pm"